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Did anybody watch the opening episode of The Returned on C4 on Sunday evening?

Set in a remote French mountain village (and in French, wi' subtitles) it opens with a school coach swerving and then crashing through the safety barrier at the edge of the road.

Four years later, as the bereaved parents attend their support group, one of the children killed walks from the crash site back to the village, apparently un-aged and unaware that anything bad has happened to her. She's not the only one to be returning; a young man, deceased a decade earlier, is puzzled to find that his girlfriend has moved house, an elderly widower has his long-dead wife return and a spooky, mute boy follows a girl from the village home.

I've seen a few reviews of this programme mention 'zombies', but aside from being ravenously hungry, the reanimated dead in this show have nothing in common with the hordes from The Walking Dead. In fact, they're hardly a problem at all - ready to simply pick up their lives where they left off. Instead this series seems set to focus on the emotional problems that this causes for the living.

It's all done in a very understated French way (although there is apparently an English-language version underway) and looks set to take its time building atmosphere and characters. So much so that from the first episode alone it's actually quite hard to work out what direction it's going to head in.

Anyway, as Arne Dahl finished on Saturday night, this will now be providing my weekly fill of subtitled telly.


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Merde, je l'ai raté! Might it be on catch up/4-player?

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I watched it on Sunday and I'm already hooked.
It looks like it's available on 4oD, Jim.


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I saw that, and thought it was weird, creepy genius.




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So, anybody watch episode 2 of The Returned?

The plot inched forward, it's in no hurry to go anywhere, but introduced the idea that the returnees may have a bit of propensity towards violence. Simon, killed on his wedding day in 2001, viciously beat a diner owner who'd refused to give him even a slice of bread, while another ex-ex sat and watched the scene without a flicker of emotion, and Camille trashed her older twin* sister's bedroom, apparently enraged that her sister's life had continued after her own had been snuffed out.

However a vicious serial killer, who we're led to believe had been on the receiving end of some vigilante justice 7 years previously, was reduced to tears by the realisation that he'd been dead for that time.

So, this continues to be a beautiful and thoughtful series,
which it seems is heading somewhere. Definitely worth joining it for the ride.

* Yes, I know, but it's accurate.


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I assumed the bedroom destruction was because she saw a pic of her sis with her (at the time) boyfriend and it was plain jealousy.

Wasn't the woman in the diner another returnee?




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Originally Posted By: oxfordSteve
I assumed the bedroom destruction was because she saw a pic of her sis with her (at the time) boyfriend and it was plain jealousy.


I don't think he was ever her boyfriend, just a boy that she really liked. Also...

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I think the twins are swapped around. I think they pretended to be the other one on the day of the accident and have been stuck that way since


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Wasn't the woman in the diner another returnee?


Yes, that's why I said "ex-ex" smile


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I don't think he was ever her boyfriend, just a boy that she really liked. Also...

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I think the twins are swapped around. I think they pretended to be the other one on the day of the accident and have been stuck that way since

I like your theory there, what clue have i missed that leads you to think that?


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Don't know if there's been a clue as such, although Lena did ask the boy she was with at the end of the first episode if he could tell them apart.

But mainly I just think it would be a neat twist - imagine coming back from the dead and then finding that somebody else had been living your life for 4 years


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I see, would be quite neat. Could certainly explain the bedroom incident too. I'm anticipating another twist too, but don't want to get too far ahead of myself. smile


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Great TV, nice way to spend an evening.

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MrsC and I caught up with this yesterday - loving it, I feel quite nostalgic for the French feel of it!

We wondered about your "twist" above Andrew, could be right. Also the violent tendencies and the extreme peckishness.

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I have to say, we found the stabbing scene in the underpass really disturbing, I'm wondering whether the returned are liable to get back to murdering ways.

I do have a bit of a problem with the complete lack of people running around screaming that the dead have risen, but there you go.


Very much looking forward to Episode 3...

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Not sure where The Returned is going... There are 8 episodes in the series, though C4 seems shy about advertising this.

I thought last night's third episode was about setting up what is to come.

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I think Victor and Julie are the key. Did Victor shift from be-hoodied murderer Serge to creepy small boy or was it all in Julie's over-stressed mind? Victor obviously has no qualms about violence after seeing off the nosy neighbour, but is he part of a shared collective consciousness of the dead? Or is Julie an early returner? Seems unlikely given her fear.
Also, I'm intrigued by the falling water level in the reservoir. So far it has only affected the loos in the Lake Pub, but surely more trouble is on the way? If it is falling by metres down the sides, that's a huge amount of water over the area of the lake.

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The undertone of violence seems to be more of an overtone.

As for Julie and Victor...

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My very first thought, way back when we first met Victor, was that he was Julie's unborn child and that she'd had an abortion.

Then, when we saw her scars at the end of episode 2 I assumed that she's been pregnant when she was attacked and had lost the baby.

I'm still tempted to think it's something like that, except:

1. At the time she was attacked she seemed to be in a pretty steady rug-munching relationship.

2. As we saw at the end of the first episode, Victor returned long before any of the others.

3. He'd also be the only one who'd aged since his death (although he hasn't aged since he returned 4 years ago)

In other words, I'm almost certainly wrong


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Well I was wrong about Victor then, but what the holy f**k is going on with Lena's back?


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Dunno, but I think even TCP might struggle with that. Interesting giveaway from Pierre to Victor (now we know why he didn't see him hiding in the wardrobe...). I fear that Pierre is deeply nasty.

Does Serge have an invisible tent at the entrance to the subway, enabling him to appear the moment any solitary female enters the tunnel? If Thomas spent more time watching the CCTV on there rather than spying on his (now unlikely to be) missus, it could save a few issues.

I'm also intrigued as to whether if Serge or another undead wallah kills someone whether the victim can come back to remonstrate after the event. Also can you "kill" the undead?

In my view everything is connected to the water and possibly the town beneath the reservoir wanting to return...

Still very much enjoying the ride.

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Another great episode, but I'm getting worried that they won't be able to pull all the threads together.

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The water is the key. What was the date that the dam burst? How many were killed? What about the wildlife committing suicide?

Can Victor actively or passively conjure up people's darkest fears?

Who was the other masked man - the one that shot Victor? Was it Mr Costa, perchance? He might have murdered his wife after she discovered about Victor's death - he was pretty upset when she returned.

What's with Léna's back, the nettle poultice and Serge's almost uncontrollable urge to eat her liver?

And the amazing healing Lucy? Did I imagine that she is a medium whilst having a bit of the other?

Too many questions?

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I'm with you, Jim - my biggest fear is that this all turns out to be a bunch of random 'creepy' stuff that they threw together, with no underlying story.

I did wonder this week if who came back was related to how much they were remembered; Camille's parents still had her bedroom as a shine, Mr Costa's house was full of photos of his wife, Adele and her daughter were thinking about and drawing Simon and Pierre and Toni were obviously dwelling upon the murders they'd taken part in.

However, you can't imagine that in the whole village they were the only 5 deceased people who were remembered.

Well, there's only 3 more episodes of season 1 to go. If it gives any clue as to where it's going to end then the last episode in the season is titled...

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Well, it's the creepy show that keeps on creeping!

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2 major points answered:
Q: Can you kill a returner?
A: No. Or at least, not Simon. Or Simon the Horse as he might be known.

Q: What has happened to the mortal remains of the returned?
A: Water! (I knew it was a key thing). I love how the power station workers have just given a Gallic shrug and gone home. Is EDF not interested at all...?!

But, other things... Why has Camille suddenly become obedient and dutiful again? Is it because she could foresee the grisly consequences of her words about parents joining children? Is she evil and luring people to self-destruction?

I was wondering whether Lucy had shagged everyone who had a returner and whether in fact she was the conduit, so to speak. But I think that is probably wide of the mark.

Victor beginning to decay is a bit of a worry...

Still enjoying it very much!

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Well two episodes to go and it doesn't seem to be moving towards resolving anything, does it?

It has, however, answered the question we were all asking ourselves, "What is the biggest turn-off line a woman can say during sex?"

I think we can all agree that, "Your dead daughter is watching us" is the all-time winner.


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Originally Posted By: AndrewR

It has, however, answered the question we were all asking ourselves, "What is the biggest turn-off line a woman can say during sex?"

I think we can all agree that, "Your dead daughter is watching us" is the all-time winner.


I'd prefer that to "What are you doing home early..."


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Originally Posted By: AndrewR
Well two episodes to go and it doesn't seem to be moving towards resolving anything, does it?

It has, however, answered the question we were all asking ourselves, "What is the biggest turn-off line a woman can say during sex?"

I think we can all agree that, "Your dead daughter is watching us" is the all-time winner.


Yes, I did think it a bit odd that things seemed to continue after that statement; these French!

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Well, things seem to be reaching a climax (unlike the gentleman in Andrew's post).

Whatever happens in the end, I've really enjoyed the gallic feel and excellent atmosphere and tension as well as some very good acting.

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The lake appears to be key, seemingly creating a vortex around it from which nobody can escape (Returner or not - as demonstrated by Toni and Laure) and even swallowing Serge.
Interesting that I think Camille didn't deliberately drive the parents of the other child to suicide.

Looks like they are all heading for classic decomposing zombie looks, which begs the question, how much longer can or will they be around?

There's a lot to pack into next week's episode - I hope it manages the job.

Although there is, I believe, to be a second series - not yet made and not due on French screens until November 2014...

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Well, tonight's the night. My gut feeling is that we're going to be left with a cliff-hanger and depending on the damn Gauls to get their poo together sufficiently to make a 2nd series.

If you want another combo of breath-taking scenery and David Lynchesque characters I'll recommend The Top of the Lake on BBC1 on Saturday nights. Last night was episode 3, but the whole series is on iPlayer and is well worth a gander.


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If you want another combo of breath-taking scenery and David Lynchesque characters I'll recommend The Top of the Lake on BBC1 on Saturday nights. Last night was episode 3, but the whole series is on iPlayer and is well worth a gander.


I'll second this as a visual outdoor feast for the eyes - it's also a raft for a collection of contemporary but visceral issues of gender, power, rape and corruption under a storyline of the disappearance of a 13 year-old who has been discovered pregnant.

Almost no holds barred with language, plenty of "downtime" from the main storyline which has (on UK television at least) 6 episodes to spin out. In this way I find it reminiscent of Steig Larsson's The Millenium Trilogy whose padding is generous at times to the extreme.

Both Mrs Ed and I find it fascinating though as it doesn't conform to the Morse/Rebus-like format of success-in-an-episode and there's no doubt that Jane Campion who has had a major part in its production is due her credit (remember The Piano?)

Both of us having been fans of The West Wing and now Madmen were fascinated to see the Jodie Foster-esque Elizabeth Moss (Zoey Bartlett, Peggy Olson) in her title role but equally disappointed to discover that she is a scientologist frown


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Well...

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I was disappointed and I guess it was to be expected. As a reviewer on another site said, The Returned shrugged its shoulders, took a drag on a fag and said "Pah! Resolution is such a bourgeois concept!"

So, no explanation for:

- the dead animals;
- the fact that there was "one missing" yet that clearly didn't include Serge or his mum;
- why Léna and her dad did little to either stop Claire from joining Camille in an uncertain, but probably not living, fate - even or go with her.
- Why zombies (now in a more traditional, dreary, shuffling format) could apparently disappear a phalanx of armed gendarmes, yet not open some shutters to take Adele (or at least her unborn child).
- the reason for the Returned to... return. Were they all back for "vengeance" of some sort, as Mme Costa said in the flashback at the start of last night's episode?
- the flood in the new village and whether it claimed many lives or whether the entire community was at the Helping Hand.

Too many unanswered questions. Bof!


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It's been quite a while, but The Returned has, well, returned.
Apparently on more4, Friday 21:00. The first episode of series 2 has already been shown Friday past but thankfully Mrs. Jimbob recorded it for me so I'm about to watch it now. Did anyone else know it was back?


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My daughters tipped me off a while ago that Series 2 was out in France, so we were on the lookout for it. We have recorded it and hopefully will squeeze it into our busy schedule (going to bed at 9.30...) tonight.


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