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Tyre'd about tyres #1561354
25/01/2016 04:23
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I'm about to lose my mind. After using a set of (very past their best) Pirelli P6000s it's time for a new set. I've lost count of the evenings I've spent reading review after review to be completely lost. And obviously, a tyre fitted to a BMW will not necessarily be the best for a coupe.

I note a lot of people rate Toyo T1R Proxes, but others also say the sidewalls are too soft. I can buy four of these on eBay with free delivery for £214, not including fitting, disposal etc, but still a decent price.

Uniroyal Rainsport 3s are £260 but a they seem to get slated on the reviews. Did like the idea of something that works in the rain though - my P6000s are terrifying.

If I had the money I'd be buying Michelins or Continentals but I'm not a rich man. The Yokohama AD08s look good but they work out at £350 before fitting.

I realise the debate on tyres has been done to death but I think it's always good to get people's opinions every few months, especially after the UK has just had the wettest 2 months ever!

Opinions please...


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561358
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So many people, so many views on the tyre choice. If you don't want to spend a lot consider: Falken FK452 / 453, Fallen Ziex 914, Kumho Ecsta LE Sport (KU39).


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561363
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If you are not in a rush i will be able to give you some feedback on Uniroyal rainsport3 just been waiting for a spare moment to get them on the car now having been messed about by one wheel refurber and having to go to a different one, now all done just going to get them balanced then on the car this week sometime
The reveiws are mixed for the uniroyals and as im not really hooning my car around everywhere im sure they will be ok
The Toyo wet performance put me off but then some people dont use their car in the wet so it wont bother everybody!

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561387
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I used to swear by Toyos - had 20+ pairs over the years.

However, I got lucky with a pair of Continental Sport Contact 3 and they were streets ahead of the Toyos, wet or dry.

When the Contis wore out, I fitted a new set of Toyos and quickly realised just how average they are

Next set on the Coupe will be Michelin Pilot Sports, Conti SC5 or maybe even Yokohama AD08 if I can get them in the correct size


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Nigel] #1561401
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I found Contis to be streets ahead too after a scary incident with my Toyo's.

Bottom line is, they're your only contact with the road so I always make sure I've got the very best even if it's a stretch - it's better than ending up in a ditch......


Under-steer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, over-steer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you
Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561403
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Yep, I had these on my Crono. Definitely the best tyre I've had.

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561404
25/01/2016 13:40
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Similar to Nigel and Proccy, I swore by an intermediate tyre for YEARS. I liked the FK453 but, as I found out when moving to a better tyre, it's only because they were the best I'd used at the time. I'm now on AD08Rs and they are leagues apart. For the price difference, it really is a no brainer.

I'd recommend Eagle F1s too. They're an even better all round tyre. The girlfriend has them on her 350Z and it feels incredibly planted in the wet. If you've ever driven one, you'll know what that means!


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561428
25/01/2016 15:46
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I don't think the Goodyear F1 is available any more in 205/50 x 16. I'd find the dosh to get the Contis or Michelins - you gets what you pay for - except for Pirellis which I thought were gripless but still expensive frown.

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561711
27/01/2016 23:49
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Definitely agree with some above comments. Get the best premium brand tyres you can, makes a huge difference.

I had Falken 452 on my coop for a while and car felt skittish when thrown around a bit and I thought they were rockhard! Then changed to Conti sport contact 5 all round (18") and the difference in the wet and dry was incredible, best thing I ever done to that car! Made driving it even more of a pleasure.

Then I had an M3 and that had Michelin Pilot super sport all round and I couldnt even get the car to slip or squerm in any way. Best tyres ever!

Only thing is with some of the best premium tyres is sizes, if your still on standard 16" wheels its a bit more tricky.

Bottom line though......stretch your budget you wont regret it.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561717
28/01/2016 00:14
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Conti 5's seem to be for summer use?

And not runflat like 3's, but have a protective sidewall......


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561822
28/01/2016 21:32
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HR - would be interested in knowing how the Uniroyals go. Obviously you won't know how long they'll last but I'd like to know how they fare in the wet.

I understand what everyone else says about going for the best ones though. I've always believed in buying the best tyres but for as cheap as possible. Unfortunately the 'cheap as possible' bit doesn't seem that cheap at the moment.

One thing I have discovered is that you drive within the limits of a vehicle as it is set up, including the tyres. Perhaps having the best tyres encourages more enthusiastic driving in poorer conditions and having slightly lesser tyres makes you drive more sensibly? Or perhaps I'm just trying to talk myself into going for the cheaper option!

If I go for Toyos or Uniroyals I'll then be able to afford a service too which it will soon need. Then there'll be something else to pay out for no doubt...


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561888
29/01/2016 12:30
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I'm Uniroyals handle they coners at pace in all weathers
have had toyos before there to soft conti to hard

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1561977
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I have falcon tires on mine... They are great in the dry or wet from my experience....

But I have been considering the toyo R888 ones with a view of running the car in summer only.

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1562012
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Bear in mind Toyo R888 and Yoko AD08Rs and semi slicks so I'd expect their life to be lower than normal road tyres. I do 3k per annum and went for the Yokos this summer. Great tyres.

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1562077
30/01/2016 16:22
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Never been a fan of the so called premium brands, whether on Coupe or on the daily car.

I am currently running my coupe on two mid range tyre brands.

Currently in the wet weather, Nexen N8000 are on the front, Falken Ziex 914 on the rear, till the summer comes, when they will be swapped front to rear and vice versa.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1562365
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The choice of really good tyres is limited with standard 16inch wheels. I've got a set of AD08s which are fantastic in the dry, but they do make the ride harsher and are a little noisier than some. I also have a set of Falken FK452s which I rate pretty well, and certainly a good price/wear compromise. I've not tried the 453 though.

I would ideally like some Pilot Super Sports but than means getting 17" wheels so gets expensive!


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1562442
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I used Toyo R1Rs in the summer and the grip was amazing, especially with the 22mm Rear ARB. But while OK if roads damp, were a lot less good in heavy rain and you couldn't use, or even store them below a certain temperature (Seem to recall it being about 2 degrees C but could be wrong). Else the rubber would crack.

I tried P6000s and they were ditch finders, so I think almost any tyre will be an improvement.

I quite liked the ToyoT1Rs but as others have said, a Contisport or Michelin Pilot Sport will be a huge improvement on them.

Good luck with your choice, BTW Event Tyres are a good company to use, very competitive prices and they come to you to fit the tyres. I just bought 2x new rears for the 911 and price was competitive and fitter knew what he was doing.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: charlie_croker] #1563494
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Trappy what are you having to pay for ad08's,and where from?


Under-steer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, over-steer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you
Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: proccy] #1563519
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Mine are in 235/40/17 so not going to help you...


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1563874
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T1R's for me wore very quickly and I was not that impressed with the grip. Put Conti's on and the car is literally transformed. Not kidding it feels like I've replaced suspension components. Not just for grip but for ride quality as well. I would seriously reccomend trying to save for them. Superb rubber for the Coupe thumb

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: ScouseCoupe] #1563895
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Originally Posted By: ScouseCoupe
Never been a fan of the so called premium brands, whether on Coupe or on the daily car.

I am currently running my coupe on two mid range tyre brands.

Currently in the wet weather, Nexen N8000 are on the front, Falken Ziex 914 on the rear, till the summer comes, when they will be swapped front to rear and vice versa.


Good luck when you put the Nexens on the rear - expect lift-off oversteer. I'd ditch them before they ditch you.

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Originally Posted By: wink
Originally Posted By: ScouseCoupe
Never been a fan of the so called premium brands, whether on Coupe or on the daily car.

I am currently running my coupe on two mid range tyre brands.

Currently in the wet weather, Nexen N8000 are on the front, Falken Ziex 914 on the rear, till the summer comes, when they will be swapped front to rear and vice versa.


Good luck when you put the Nexens on the rear - expect lift-off oversteer. I'd ditch them before they ditch you.


Agree about the Nexens, pure ditch-finders when under any duress


Under-steer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, over-steer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you
Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: wink] #1563950
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Originally Posted By: wink
Originally Posted By: ScouseCoupe
Never been a fan of the so called premium brands, whether on Coupe or on the daily car.

I am currently running my coupe on two mid range tyre brands.

Currently in the wet weather, Nexen N8000 are on the front, Falken Ziex 914 on the rear, till the summer comes, when they will be swapped front to rear and vice versa.


Good luck when you put the Nexens on the rear - expect lift-off oversteer. I'd ditch them before they ditch you.


Never had any problems with N8000, worked great on an Alfa 147 GTA for 5 years.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: proccy] #1563951
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Originally Posted By: proccy
Originally Posted By: wink
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Never been a fan of the so called premium brands, whether on Coupe or on the daily car.

I am currently running my coupe on two mid range tyre brands.

Currently in the wet weather, Nexen N8000 are on the front, Falken Ziex 914 on the rear, till the summer comes, when they will be swapped front to rear and vice versa.


Good luck when you put the Nexens on the rear - expect lift-off oversteer. I'd ditch them before they ditch you.


Agree about the Nexens, pure ditch-finders when under any duress


Could say the same about Falken 452's or 914' s as they are **** in the wet.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: ScouseCoupe] #1564002
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Originally Posted By: ScouseCoupe
Originally Posted By: proccy
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Never been a fan of the so called premium brands, whether on Coupe or on the daily car.

I am currently running my coupe on two mid range tyre brands.

Currently in the wet weather, Nexen N8000 are on the front, Falken Ziex 914 on the rear, till the summer comes, when they will be swapped front to rear and vice versa.


Good luck when you put the Nexens on the rear - expect lift-off oversteer. I'd ditch them before they ditch you.


Agree about the Nexens, pure ditch-finders when under any duress


Could say the same about Falken 452's or 914' s as they are **** in the wet.



Indeed and driving styles can affect how they behave in any given conditions, and why I will only go for Contis, Toyo's etc - it's my experience having used Falkens, Nankang's, Kumho to name a few that I won't trust again and especially asi have my kids with me regularly. Each to their own


Under-steer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, over-steer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you
Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: proccy] #1564005
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Yep I'm with Proccy when he mentions driving styles. Personally on the Coop I've always put on Conti's apart from the odd occasion when a bargain came up & purchased what I thought was a good buy.

In saying all that, when I first purchased the Coop the car had a cheap well worn pair of infinity front tyres which performed not too badly,surprisingly much better than I'd hoped for in the dry & in the snow. Obviously I wasn't going too fast & overdoing things, but giving it the beans non the less. Obviously the big lump over the front wheels has an effect.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1564064
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When I bought my Alfa GT, it had four budget tyres on, the BEST of which was a Nexen. It was May 2013, sunny and dry and although the tyres were a bit noisy, the grip was acceptable for a daily commuting hack.

Then one day it rained......

I might as well have been driving on plastic slicks - it would 4-wheel slide at very low speeds and was completely unpredictable. It would wheelspin in the first four gears, which is going some for a rattly old 1.9 diesel

I fitted Falken 914, which are miles better - still not up to Conti or Michelin standards, but at least I know they aren't about to chuck me into the scenery

I would never fit anything cheaper than mid-range tyres to any car


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1564154
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P6000s are really bad so you have a lot to look forward to whatever you choose.

Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1564166
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The point of driving styles is very true and I accept that. I am too old now to be a boy racer, once upon a time, but more infrequently now.

I have various tyre brands on my Alfa's since i was 17, my first was an Alfa 33 with remould tyres, they where scary ! Many a Alfa 159 Ti owner fits these cheap EP tyres as the tyre size choice is limited, again these are scary in the wet. I have had Yoko's on 155 V6, they were brill, but the same tyre on a 164 QV did not work at all and wore out rapidly.

So to conclude from my perspective, the Nexen N8000 tyre worked very well on a 147 GTA, i have to admit, works as well on my 20VT to date, even in the wet / slushy snow roads. I cannot rely on the Falken 914's in the wet, they are awful, hence they are demoted to the rear, till the summer comes where i will see what they are really like.


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Re: Tyre'd about tyres [Re: Slugcatcher1] #1564189
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Accelera Alphas

had these on Cinquecento, Stilo and currently on Coupe 20v. dry grip is brilliant, wet is better than you would expect, they dont let go suddenly when driving in a spritely manner (unless the road is crappy, but thats physics) at no point have i regretted buying them or wished id bought something double the price. also tyre life is good (cant give you a mileage figure because ive not worn a new set out yet)

Coincidentally i'll be sticking a set of Accelera Phi R on the 159 this week.

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