My problem with this is that I will only ever look though the eyes of me, I will vote for me. I can pretend it will be for the greater good but honestly ill be self serving and vote for issues that effect me. I'm also probably not educated enough on the subject to make a well informed decision based on the facts, because unbiased facts are so hard to find.
I also have no idea how the end game of the exit would be carried out, will it take years, will I need a visa to go to Europe, will my job be effected (probably)

I cant help but feel handing this vote over to the public is a cop out by the government. They were (unfortunately) voted in via a democracy and for the most part filled with people who are far more qualified to make these kind of decisions than I am, after all that why I pay my taxes? to keep a democracy and everything that goes with it running?

Im going to vote to the best of my abilities, but its more a vote on what I don't know is going to happen than a vote on the outcome I want.. which is sad

Sooooo....Thoughts on Mr Obamas speech?

Aye, was wondering when this would show up. I've had a soft spot for the man right from the start, but he's blown it as far as I'm concerned. Talk about double standards. Back to yank land with you & keep out of our affairs. Could you just imagine someone from Britain poking their noses into American affairs.

Or has Cameron asked a wee favour from his American friend....

I think he was entirely within his rights to say what he believes. Really, why on earth shouldn't he? The idea that he's come to the UK specially to read a script prepared by the In campaign is hilarious. Like he owes Cameron anything. The response of the Vote Leave supporters has been embarrassingly childish and undignified.

I am sure David Cameron requested this intervention by Obama and it seems so contrived to be almost unbelievable. If the boot was on the other foot the yanks would be soon telling Cameron where to go.

Has anyone been watching the them & us programmes on BBC2 hosted by Nick Robinson? I found it very informative and they gave great insight to the machinations by various politicians over the years.
Cameron has it seems duplicated the same situation that Harold Wilson faced back in 1974 and asked for some crumbs from the EU table to show that he did his best to negotiate a better deal and then leave it to the people to sort out his mess.
So any bets on another referendum in 2040?

I suspect Cameron requested it too! as its in his interest to stay in!

Jim, the Americans do not have a good record regarding keeping their noses out of things, that is fact. The only reason America will say their tuppence worth will be in their own interest. Perhaps the Cameron question may be a bit suspect. (said in an American accent).... You can bet your white ass there is an alternative reason for this interference.

Jim, given the long-standing and supposedly special relationship between the UK and the USA (and I'm not suggesting that this is always a good thing), I'd have thought it very surprising if the president of the USA didn't give his opinion on this issue. Of course it makes sense for the US to want an ally within the EU and there's no such thing in politics as an un-ulterior motive, so yes, it's a US perspective. But I don't buy for a moment that Obama has turned up to do his old mate Dave a favour. There's nothing to suggest they are especially close either politically or personally and since Obama is leaving office relatively soon, I'm sure he couldn't give a sh1t, so - to me - that is just preposterous sour grapes by a Vote Leave campaign stuffed full of the nasty side of UK politics.

And I still haven't decided which way I'll vote, but the Vote Leave people are doing their best to piss me off.

i couldn't have put it better myself Jim...If anything the leave camps response has pushed me further away from them

Looking at this from a different angle, what would happen if the uk left?
Would the burden be more heavily placed on the other larger states such as Germany france etc.
Could that mean without the uk the Euro members that remain would have higher costs especially in light of the poorer Eastern Europe states that are posed to join and turkey of course?
Just wondering if Germany was to leave what would the effect be on us if we remained in? would we all be wishing we could have another vote and would more people be inclined to leave???

Just curious really!

I'm surprised in a way that Obama has come out on any side of the argument - I can't believe he wouldn't have known his speech would stir up a hornet's nest one way or the other.

So he has come over to state his opinion whilst on British soil as opposed to from the White House lawn, only months before he leaves office - why does he have to enter the fray?

My guess is that it's in US interests to deal with Britain conveniently as part of Europe and not as a separate entity. Britain out of Europe making things difficult for the US? Hardly!

The biggest anomaly is, as Kate Hoey and others have said, is that the Americans would have absolutely no truck with anyone telling them to adjust their sovereignty.

Have to admit the vote leave group have yet to put forward a fully considered vision of what an out vote would deliver but similarly the remain campagne have also been guilty of some dodgy projections in my opinion.
The enlargement of the EU is and will continue to put a strain on the better off states to keep the cogs turning and another euro / Greece type situation may not be recoverable.
Hope we get some better information to consider before we all grow old and loose interest.

I'm voting out. I strongly disagree with EU courts overriding our own when it comes to scumbags and their human rights.
I don't believe the leaders of other European countries have Britain's best interests at heart. In fact I suspect some of them relish the chance to get the boot in. On the matter of immigration, where is the housing and infrastructure to support our rapidly expanding population? Already some kids can't get school places and yesterday I caught something on TV where an elderly couple were evicted and made homeless due to increasing rent costs.
If we're so equal in Europe then why is our benefits system and NHS such a prize?
All just my deeply uninformed opinions.

Watched a program lately about in or out & apart from the usual money/immigration/lack of jobs etc, there was an overwhelming amount of people who were concerned of loosing their English identity apart from anything else. Obviously filmed in England, but a fair point non the less.

“They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United States is going to do."

I take in all the US protectionism and parochial view - I get all of that, but this is such a great put down.

It actually gives me hope that Clinton gets in, realises she's too old for more than one term and hands it back to Obama for another two. When you consider that he could be succeeded by Donald Trump it makes you wonder whether their political system needs some review.

Thank you Obama, you interefering . Decision made, if it pisses you and Dave off...

And as a point of interest moving forward, political allegiance, ie the party you belong to, may not be a factor in future elections!

RK, you were never going to vote remain anyhow, so for you, it made little difference.

SO let me get this straight - it's OK for people *here* or on other fora to express an opinion, but a foreigner can't?

I'm fairly sure I had some strong opinions about the desirability of the Berlin Wall.

I can't help thinking that if Obama had spoken in favour of the UK leaving Europe, we'd have a different set of pissed off people.

Well, the way I see it, apart from actually living here, we will be voting, where as Obama, both politically & for gain should not be sticking his nose in, America still have not managed to secure an EU deal. He should be concentrating on say, the gun issue in his own country.

Obviously America is looking after their own, but as I mentioned earlier, can you imagine the reaction we would have if this was the other way round.

This isn't about "our" affairs, it's about US affairs. Despite all of the nonsensical bluster from leave campaigners, we are not going to be able to simply create new trade agreements with other countries, that's just not the way it is done now. Almost every other nation is seeking closer ties in blocs, using economy of scale economics, and that is exactly what Obama has referred to. It is simply not in the interests of the US to favour the UK economically when it will harm the trade they do with the rest of the world. We buy things, we don't make things. We used to make things but the very people who are screaming for us to get out of the EU are the ones who destroyed our abilities to make things or who sold them off at ridiculously low prices to other countries. The things we do make are not in fact made by us, but by foreign companies who use us as an entry into the EU.

Quite apart from the fact that it's not "their" human right, it's YOUR human rights, your stated position above is somewhat like divorcing your wife because she didn't record your favourite TV programme. There have been a miniscule, utterly tiny, amount of such cases. And those which have happened have been very widely and very, very misleadingly reported upon.

I am so interesting with a lot of the logic (or lack of) used in these kind of discussions. I cant think of anywhere where you see/hear so many logical fallacies, straw man arguments and bear face lies. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Im still really dissapointed that there has been no real opposition in this campaign. It all seems very one sided at the moment at least in the media.... it makes it very difficult for those still on the fence to make a descision

Preposterous. Nobody wants to read 10 pages of my diatribe so please don't be so quick to judge statements in brief.

That's no argument. The UK has surrendered too much of its own governing power and I disagree with it. Frequency is irrelevant.
In this debate I don't believe many opinions can be summarily dismissed as right or wrong so why are some so quick to ridicule? [ Not aimed at you Azzura ]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663846/...Governor-Brexit

I certainly can't say for sure what is going to happen either in or out, who really can. I'm trying to look at things holistically. I'm certainly not going to shoot anyone down in flames but I'm a bit tickled when I read Azzura's use of similes.....

Colourful and strongly promoted stuff indeed, shame we can't entice Signor Azzura over for lunch on June 16th! But then maybe aforesaid is no longer a coupe-owner ....

On the contrary FF, although my heart says leave, my head isn't so sure. As I've said before, the total lack of a balanced argument is not helping anyone. The In campaign are threatening all sorts of disease and pestilence if we leave, the Out campaign are promising self governed Nirvana. Reality will be somewhere between.

Sadly, we are stuck with our current crop of politicians either way.

Has everyone voted on the poll?

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