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EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out #1570075
18/04/2016 02:28
18/04/2016 02:28
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EU - In or Out
single choice
In
48%, 62 Votes
Out
43%, 56 Votes
Undecided
9%, 11 Votes
Total Votes: 129
Voting on this poll ends: 23/06/2016 23:00
Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1570082
18/04/2016 07:47
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Please keep this thread for voting only
All posts will be moved to the other active thread


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1570964
25/04/2016 01:05
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Come on Peeps get voting thumb


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1574661
22/05/2016 18:03
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Not trying to get two votes - I just can't delete one.

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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1574663
22/05/2016 18:04
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In.

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1574816
24/05/2016 01:09
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Dont think you can change once you have voted


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1574881
24/05/2016 19:36
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You can, but you have to wait forty years.


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1575007
25/05/2016 21:17
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I think this could be the most uneducated decision for the UK populus ever. How can we possibly know?


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1575013
25/05/2016 23:51
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We can't, but the number of weirdie MPs and 'tax consultants' pushing for Brexit is a bit of a clue.

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1575016
26/05/2016 00:36
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That's why it's a referendum - because it's not to do with politics or values per se but just a matter of opinion on an incredibly complex topic.

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: ] #1575018
26/05/2016 01:27
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Originally Posted By: FreakinFreak
We can't, but the number of weirdie MPs and 'tax consultants' pushing for Brexit is a bit of a clue.


There is another clue in the number of weirdie MPs and others pushing to remain as well!


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1576401
08/06/2016 23:55
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I've decided I don't like democracy. I've just been having an argument with a guy on Facebook whose only reasons for wanting to vote out are because he doesn't want England to become a Muslim country and he doesn't want to die in a terrorist attack.

His vote is worth the same as everyone else's shocked

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: ali_hire] #1576408
09/06/2016 00:10
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Originally Posted By: ali_hire
I've decided I don't like democracy. I've just been having an argument with a guy on Facebook whose only reasons for wanting to vote out are because he doesn't want England to become a Muslim country and he doesn't want to die in a terrorist attack.

His vote is worth the same as everyone else's shocked


Why did you bother arguing?


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1576424
09/06/2016 08:03
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I voted in, but I think this has been an appalling campaign by both sides. Scaremongering, shocking manipulation of information and personal attacks that have done nothing to improve our image in Europe or further afield. If I was Europe, I might vote for Brexpulsion.

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1576429
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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1576523
09/06/2016 22:07
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And just in passing, guess what -

It's too close to call!!

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1576529
09/06/2016 22:52
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LOL @ Jim. You just described modern politics. laugh
Nice of Nicola Sturgeon to balance things for those who can't stand Nigel Farage. Ridiculous woman. evil

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: ali_hire] #1576727
11/06/2016 22:53
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Originally Posted By: ali_hire
I've decided I don't like democracy. I've just been having an argument with a guy on Facebook whose only reasons for wanting to vote out are because he doesn't want England to become a Muslim country and he doesn't want to die in a terrorist attack.

His vote is worth the same as everyone else's shocked


And that Ali is democracy. No matter how much you dislike or ridicule his beliefs, he's entitled to hold them. There are people on here I fundamentally disagree with, but they are still entitled to vote wink


"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Roadking] #1576728
11/06/2016 23:07
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Yup, even Rk gets his say.

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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1576752
12/06/2016 09:07
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The problem with democracy is that fifty percent of the population are of less than average intelligence...

What's the saying: democracy is the worst way to govern a country, except for all the others?

Or another: Ninety percent of people can't think. Of the rest, ninety percent won't think. Of the remaining one percent, ninety percent don't have the information they need to make a judgement on and can't be bothered to get it. Doesn't leave a lot...


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: barnacle] #1576760
12/06/2016 11:49
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That reassuring statement Neil would in theory apply to everyone else then - unless the 'others' are perceived to be 'more' intelligent, fair, democratic, trustworthy etc. than ourselves.....


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1576761
12/06/2016 11:53
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The point being Simon, that we have to make the best of what we have.


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1577203
15/06/2016 22:36
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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: jaaps2] #1577348
17/06/2016 11:19
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Originally Posted By: jaaps2


Hopefully the majority see sense on the day and vote 'OUT', leaving us to sort our own country out without the rest of Europe interfering. The second step in making this happen of course is to rid our country of those a"$eho13s at number 10 before we can even think about putting the 'Great' back in Britain


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1577360
17/06/2016 14:34
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I heard the most ridiculous OUT argument on the radio yet the other day. The lady was saying that we'll be fine because we already comply with European regulation now so when we vote out we'll be OK. That's tantamount to admitting that we'll need to continue to comply with European regulation (much of which of course we will) - except now, of course, we won't have any say in what those regulations are (which was exactly the point the Norwegians that were interviewed made).

I simply don't know (because none of the Brexit crowd have ever said) what regulation we think is holding us back. Certainly, in my job, the regulation from the USA and, more recently, China is far more difficult to comply with because it is designed to make it difficult for us. So now the Brexit crowd want to add Europe to that list. I guess it won't matter much because manufacturing investment will move out so we won't need to bother with those regs. And we won't need to worry about "Johnny Foreigner" stealing "our" jobs because there won't be any.

My problem is that I am very well informed on this bit of the debate....

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1577374
17/06/2016 19:06
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You and me both, MRS... but anyone who thinks that 'out' will miraculously result in the country being 'sorted' is deluding themselves.


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1577416
18/06/2016 13:56
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As status quo will leave us in the same mess we're in....

I can see many positives on both sides, shame it's all hidden under propaganda and scaremongering from both sides.

No one knows what will happen if we vote out, but we know where we are if we stay and this country is a mess.

I'm on the fence - so am ready to be swayed to vote either way.

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: ] #1577417
18/06/2016 14:02
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
As status quo will leave us in the same mess we're in....

I can see many positives on both sides, shame it's all hidden under propaganda and scaremongering from both sides.

No one knows what will happen if we vote out, but we know where we are if we stay and this country is a mess.

I'm on the fence - so am ready to be swayed to vote either way.


You've just swayed yourself! If we stay, the country is already falling apart, so why not try something that might actually work? I'm out all the way for that very reason


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Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: Theresa] #1577422
18/06/2016 14:32
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Listen to "More or Less" on radio 4 iplayer radio. Really interesting to examine the figure bandied about by both sides.

Facts like the UK has voted against more than 55 laws - but supported 2500.

We have almost the least regulations of any country in the world etc

Seemed like a very balanced programme.

The country isn't falling apart - it's actually in better shape than most.

Re: EU Fccuk Poll - In or Out [Re: MeanRedSpider] #1577439
18/06/2016 19:29
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Recessions are caused by uncertainty among other things. If we vote out, we will be plunged into uncertainty and it may or may not cause a recession. Either way, it won't be good. And this isn't based on gut feeling or belief- I already have clients seriously worried due to a drop in sales or contracts on hold. Anyone voting out thinking this will change once the voting is all over and we're on our way out is way off the mark. It will take years for this uncertainty to subside, and after that, only if leaving actually works.

One client has staff under consultation for redundancy purely because of this vote.

If you are voting out, please really think about the reasons why. If we do leave, it will be a very rocky road. Austerity on top of austerity will not be great.

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