The young people were passionate voters - it's their future after all. They are also a generation that apparently is less selfish. The older ones seem to be more focused on what's good for them

I find it distasteful that anybody who voted to leave, are having their vote ridiculed, whilst also being accused of having no intelligence, being racist, being the underclass or no understanding of anything that may happen!


The country has gone barking mad

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1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters. Certainly not, but the racist argument about immigration was what the campaign turned into. If you think that immigrants are the problem you're misguided at best. And many of my European friends are actually rather brown because they have better weather.

2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.
Agreed. It was a high turnout and a decisive result. No argument here, so I have to reject this suggestion as it offers me no comfort.

3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result. Actually no. I never want to see another referendum. The tragedy here is that Cameron offered it as a sop to the right wing in his party. He gambled the economic security of the country on an internal Tory party dispute, and his legacy will be as the PM who broke the UK.

4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets. Actually my degree was in electronics. But don't expect any better from Johnson & Gove - they're both journalists who know tiddly squat about economics. Which is maybe why they're keeping shtum right now.

5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do. Hmmm. Tempting this one, but you could have a point. I'll have a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon while I think about it, & while I can still afford it.

6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion. Sorry I'm an old git. What's a meme? But 52-48 makes it a large minority surely?

7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes. I'd put a bet on it that they will. And if they do, I'm hoping that the fact I was born in Scotland will entitle me to a Scottish (EU) passport. Then I'll be able to gloat as I go through the fast lane at airports, while the Brits English have to queue.

8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister. Yep, started already.

9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire. Now this is seriously difficult. I really do want to know why ordinary working class turkeys just voted for Christmas? They will be the first ones to suffer from a Johnson/Gove led government, which is what's coming next. I begin to pine for Tony Blair - in discussing the whole Brexit issue he invoked the scene from “Blazing Saddles” where the black sheriff threatens to shoot himself if the racists don't put their guns down.

10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy". It is a good tune. Maybe we'll do better in Eurovision next time thanks to Russian votes?

What is very clear is that a lot of people are upset because they know that voters who are xenophobic/racist/add additional insults, affected the vote which has resulted in us leaving the EU. Without them, we wouldn't have left. However that's not democracy. Unfortunately the media aren't helping as usual, showing clips of idiots advising the interviewers that they only voted out to stop 'the muslims' coming into England and blowing us all up.

I know if I'd have voted out, I'd have expected to be branded something or other.

There would also be the same backlash now if we had voted to stay in. Lots of people talking about do-gooder liberals etc etc. And probably some nasty race related issues.

Really! so the people you don't like, should not be able to vote as they don't count!! are you serious!!

It would seem you are only noticing the extremes there are extremists on both sides open your eyes and be a bit more honest to yourself, or do you believe everything the media tells you!

This is the one thing that is bugging me about this whole thing the viscous verbal attacks from both sides, as if they are god or something and know exactly how everything will unfold
Nobody does people have a vested interest in what suits their personal needs and vote accordingly

Just accept it! get over it and see people for who they are without branded them just because of the way they voted

I bet James Dyson is a racist then going by your analogy!

Im now walking away because i am not interested in falling out with people! I was just trying to give a balanced opinion without writing off other peoples opinions!

Good night

But the young are much more outraged at things which they don't agree with. I saw a post which said that a class of teenagers were OUTRAGED at the result (not my caps) - that is a very disturbing attitude in my opinion as it says anyone who has an alternative perspective is wrong. To me it is an essential part of being human that we are different and have the ability to voice differences - it is also the principle of democracy.

As for the referendum, it may be about the future for young people, but they lack the knowledge and experience that only age can bring so the two balance each other out meaning that we all vote and get the overall result we vote for. Neither side has more weight or influence (what is the break point between young and old anyway?).

The young educated people might not have a lot of experience but they have the knowledge. This will also impact them far more than the folks being interviewed on the TV delighted to have their "freedom" many of whom look as though they won't be around to see article 50 enacted - let alone any "freedom".

Of course these young people have every right to be outraged. They can't afford houses, they'll be paying off their education debts much of their working lives and, as if they haven't been screwed enough by the generation that destroyed British industry, they see that they're being locked up in Little England by the generations that took it all, and that they'll have to pay to look after. Their outrage at least shows they care and that they understand. The vote is cast but they see that the generations that took it all from them have just voted selfishly again. I feel their outrage.

So what will happen now? Will the EU council and commission make it easy for us? If the UK thrives will other nations also want referendums? Yes Could that spell the end for the EU? Quite probably So will they instead impose import tariffs on goods from the UK? Unlikely as they would be easily imposed by return. Even if imposed they will be WTO regulated

Will Nissan, as an example still manufacture cars in the UK in 10 years if their products won't be competitive in the European market owing to import tariffs? Sunderland is the most efficient plant Nissan have worldwide, in itself that is likely to compensate for any tariff that potentially could be imposed. The cost of closing it and getting a replacement factory anywhere else in the EU added to the loss of efficiency (even their Japanese factories don't make as many cars per person per year) make it very unlikely they would consider a move Would they then move their operation to a nation inside the EU? Will other industries be affected in a similar way?See previous answer - if UK production is already efficient it will retain that and therefore likely to remain. Do remember similar discussions were held about continuing to produce in the UK if we didn't join the Euro currency but I'm not aware of a major manufacturer leaving the UK just because we didn't

Now that sterling has dropped by 8% will all our imports be more expensive? Dropped 8% in relation to what? If sterling has dropped against a currency then imports from countries using that currency may increase but it depends if the supplier chooses to change their prices. The drop in Sterling reported yesterday against the dollar and euro did ignore the gains there were later in the day. There is also the counter that all UK goods exported will be cheaper in their destinations which is good for the exporter - consider the thought that if the EU imposed a 5% tariff on UK made cars but sterling had dropped 8% against the euro the cars would be cheaper for customers in teh eurozone anyway. As all oil is paid for in dollars will petrol prices go up? Not immediately, but it has gone up a significant amount in recent months anyway so changes will not just be because of brexit Doesn't that make all goods more expensive because of the cost of transport? In principle, yes but not an immediate effect

Now that Moody's has downgraded our economic outlook to negative will our government have to pay more interest on their debt? PossiblyWould that mean further government spending cutbacks? In itself, I would say unlikely as all governments seem happy to take on debt

Now that the FTSE fell by over 3% in a single day will it continue to fall for months like it did after the financial crises, the dot com bubble and when we left the ERM? It was higher at the end of Friday than it had been a week earlier, it had dropped in the morning yesterday but rose throughout the rest of the day so maybe the rise will continue. Pure speculation by nervous traders so not a long term situation Will that mean FTSE listed companies have less ability to invest? Not necessarily linked. And it has been pointed out that a potentially lower currency helps exports which then increases share value so not necessarily a problem.

If immigration is cut and businesses have less access to cheap labour will they become less competitive? Maybe some of the unemployed in Britain will take the jobs!! Our labour costs are way higher than other parts of the world and we have managed. People getting paid more doesn't seem wrong though. Or maybe they will choose to off-shore operations to maintain competitiveness. Will that mean fewer jobs in the UK? How much would it cost Sports Direct to pay transport from anywhere outside the UK? It would cost way more than paying workers a little more

Just asking. Just trying to answer!

Of course these young people have every right to be outraged. They can't afford houses, they'll be paying off their education debts much of their working lives and, as if they haven't been screwed enough by the generation that destroyed British industry, they see that they're being locked up in Little England by the generations that took it all, and that they'll have to pay to look after. Their outrage at least shows they care and that they understand. The vote is cast but they see that the generations that took it all from them have just voted selfishly again. I feel their outrage.


The generation that took it all from them eh! that must includie their fathers and grandfathers that fought and died for them to give everything them on a plate for them now . My father fought in the Second World War from 39 to 45 to give people freedom what they have now, unfortunately he died in 72

I don't see the point in levelling blame at one section of society or another. It was a democratic vote and we need to accept it in a similar way to a government that we didn't vote for.

Also I think you're in danger of implying that those other than "young educated people" are somehow lacking in cogent ability!

Editing to add that I have just seen in relation to the credit rating in the UK that the government can borrow at 1.08% for 10 years and under 2% for 30 years which are historic low borrowing rates so certainly no issues currently.

It's a democratic process and the result is the result but it's important to understand what our young people are thinking about the result.

The young educated people might not have a lot of experience but they have the knowledge. This will also impact them far more than the folks being interviewed on the TV delighted to have their "freedom" many of whom look as though they won't be around to see article 50 enacted - let alone any "freedom".

Of course these young people have every right to be outraged. They can't afford houses, they'll be paying off their education debts much of their working lives and, as if they haven't been screwed enough by the generation that destroyed British industry, they see that they're being locked up in Little England by the generations that took it all, and that they'll have to pay to look after. Their outrage at least shows they care and that they understand. The vote is cast but they see that the generations that took it all from them have just voted selfishly again. I feel their outrage.

The reason bond yields are so low is the stagnant global economy which makes government bonds a more attractive invest vehicle compared with company shares and bonds. It's precisely why the situation is so dangerous. It means only a small rise in bond yields results in an enormous increase in the amount of interest our government pays on its debts. Look at bond yields of just 10 years ago. If they returned to that level UK plc would be bust.

MRS ..... Get some sleep please.

That isn't a question you asked, and the final sentence requires an "if" which is not a reality currently following brexit. With the falls in stock values in other countries and other currencies it is looking to be an unlikely "if" for the UK any time soon.