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Re: Chilcot Report
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06/07/2016 23:41
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Went to war without exhausting all other peaceful means. Was only interested in pacifying George Bush.
So all these Labour MPs that voted for it, and are now trying to dislodge Corbyn - what's their position now?
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Re: Chilcot Report
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06/07/2016 23:55
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Heard an interesting theory/comment that perhaps Corbyn was resisting leaving/stepping down so he could ask some probing questions in the wake of the Chilcot report. Who knows.
To be generous to (some of) those that supported the war they were seemingly feed some dubious information with which to make their decision from their own party leader....with 20:20 hindsight its a little to easy to pass judgement so a little context goes a long way.
The Corbyn issue is very different so not sure if any parallels can be drawn.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 12:11
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Iraq had no central bank Iraq was part of the Yinon Plan Blair was a member of Labour Friends of Israel Blair supports the EU EU was created by Zionists
Join the dots.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 12:32
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Seeing dots and joining them is what made people think there were canals on Mars.
Sometimes life and truth is duller than we like to imagine.
Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 12:49
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Seeing dots and joining them is what made people think there were canals on Mars.
Sometimes life and truth is duller than we like to imagine. But when the lives of millions of people are lost in senseless wars, it's probably worth investigating a little though, no? Seriously, if you aren't a little suspicious when it comes to the middle east and the involvement of the west under Israeli influence, then you really must be on the take yourself. Endless false flags, dodgy videos, one corrupt politician revealed after another... How can you swallow the narrative of mass media without question? It all stinks and when you find articles within books written in the 80s that spell out the very actions that are taking place now, you can just call it a coincidence and that's fine? Millions of people dead. MILLIONS and now there're millions more lined up as the new 'evils' Russia, North Korea, Iran are being demonised constantly in the media because they don't play ball. 1984 doesn't even come close!
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 13:26
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Seriously, if you aren't a little suspicious when it comes to the middle east and the involvement of the west under Israeli influence, then you really must be on the take yourself. Dots joined. QED
Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 13:51
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Why does EVERYTHING these days have to be a conspiracy and involve Israel and zionists Agree with Mark, like is generally not that exciting. The motivation for most things seems to be plain old greed.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 15:05
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What never ceases to amaze me is that when a 'conspiracy theory' turns out to be true (like there being no evidence for going to war in Iraq for crying out loud!) it is quickly forgotten.
Do any of you know where the term 'conspiracy theorist' comes from? The CIA. They used it to discredit anyone who questioned the official story about why JFK was assassinated.
Look up JFK, Silver and the Federal Reserve. Yes, it's Jewish owned. No surprise there then. Yes, he was killed shortly after. One more dot. Look at the origins of the Federal Reserve and what happened to those who resisted it.
Look up the Khazars and how Jewish modern 92% of Jews really are...
If you flip it around and ask yourself the question: what would it take for me to question my own current understanding of the world and history? What would your answer be? Where would it have to come from? Who would have to say it for you to believe that you might have been lied to? What would you then think if that same company once published conflicting information?
What it have to be in a tabloid newspaper or be published by the BBC?
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 15:51
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The Iraq situation was not a conspiracy. It was plain to see that Bush wanted retribution for 9/11, beside most people did not agree to the war but as the report showed Blair was desperate to keep on the side of the Americans, as other PMs have done in the past. Clearly if it was a conspiracy the report would have not been produced and been so thorough. We can look up all the articles you quote written by bored teenagers in their parent homes and other trite rubbish. Bring on the "truthers" for good measure. Just a bunch of nutters wanting to make a name for themselves. You can never reason or argue with people who don't deal in cold hard truths and well investigated scientific fact. These people will argue that white is black, great for a laugh though. Moonlanding excepted, that was clearly a Hollywood fake Back to the issue. It does come as a surprise that the report did not pull any punches and has been "well" received, in that the truth appears to be there. A final word, both this and the Hillsborough enquiry show that you can't keep the truth hidden for ever, it will always out and it's normally those involved that out it.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 17:12
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The Iraq situation was not a conspiracy. It was plain to see that Bush wanted retribution for 9/11, beside most people did not agree to the war but as the report showed Blair was desperate to keep on the side of the Americans, as other PMs have done in the past. Clearly if it was a conspiracy the report would have not been produced and been so thorough. We can look up all the articles you quote written by bored teenagers in their parent homes and other trite rubbish. Bring on the "truthers" for good measure. Just a bunch of nutters wanting to make a name for themselves. You can never reason or argue with people who don't deal in cold hard truths and well investigated scientific fact. These people will argue that white is black, great for a laugh though. Moonlanding excepted, that was clearly a Hollywood fake Back to the issue. It does come as a surprise that the report did not pull any punches and has been "well" received, in that the truth appears to be there. A final word, both this and the Hillsborough enquiry show that you can't keep the truth hidden for ever, it will always out and it's normally those involved that out it. The 911 Commission was well investigated scientific fact then? I honestly didn't think anyone believed the official narrative
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 17:23
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What's with the anti-semitism, Trappy? It sounds like you've swallowed some racist propaganda.
The thing about conspiracy theories is that turn out almost always to be rubbish. But they are easy because no-one ever has to stand up to prove them. Anti-Semitism or racist? Which is it, race or religion weapon word. Sod it, may as well go for sexist, bigoted Nazi while you're at it. I'm sorry but I don't agree with wars (that kill millions of people of all races, religions and political persuasions) perpetrated and designed by the west for the profit and expansion of Israel's projects. They own the Federal Reserve and are disproportionately represented throughout media and business worldwide, and they practically own Hollywood. The same family names pop up going back hundreds of years and, every time, there's war. They also have massive influence with politicians. None of this is even denied; on the contrary it's often boasted about in Jewish news outlets. Still, none of you find this suspicious at all? The one thing that motivates the puppet politicians is, I agree, greed. And when you own the banks and media it's much easier to manipulate them.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 17:35
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What's with the anti-semitism, Trappy? It sounds like you've swallowed some racist propaganda.
The thing about conspiracy theories is that turn out almost always to be rubbish. But they are easy because no-one ever has to stand up to prove them. Anti-Semitism or racist? Which is it, race or religion weapon word. Sod it, may as well go for sexist, bigoted Nazi while you're at it. I'm sorry but I don't agree with wars (that kill millions of people of all races, religions and political persuasions) perpetrated and designed by the west for the profit and expansion of Israel's projects. They own the Federal Reserve and are disproportionately represented throughout media and business worldwide, and they practically own Hollywood. The same family names pop up going back hundreds of years and, every time, there's war. They also have massive influence with politicians. None of this is even denied; on the contrary it's often boasted about in Jewish news outlets. Still, none of you find this suspicious at all? The one thing that motivates the puppet politicians is, I agree, greed. And when you own the banks and media it's much easier to manipulate them. Anti-semitism is a form of racism. Men are disproportionately represented in just about everything. Don't you find that suspicious? What am I supposed to be suspicious of? What's meant to happen to me as a result of this conspiracy?
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 18:12
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I think what Trappy is trying to show is that where there is war and sorrow and a financial gain that Jewish orginizsations are at the forefront of it all. Or they could be behind it.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 18:24
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I think what Trappy is trying to show is that where there is war and sorrow and a financial gain that Jewish orginizsations are at the forefront of it all. Or they could be behind it. I know that - and I know that he believes that Jews started WWII. And I'm suggesting that it's anti-Semitic and racist because it's borlicks. It's age-old prejudice against the Jews but there are countless examples of war and misery around the world that have no influence from anybody even vaguely Jewish - although, if you're a conspiracy theorist and believe the CIA (or space aliens) are Jewish, you could claim just about anything was started by the Jews. What is true is that the USA has a very strong influence in the world and that there is a strong Jewish lobby in the US - but to link the two is a leap (mostly) of fancy. Given how reluctant the Americans were to join either of the World Wars (even though mass extermination of Jews was taking place in WWII) might give some clues.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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I think what Trappy is trying to show is that where there is war and sorrow and a financial gain that Jewish orginizsations are at the forefront of it all. Or they could be behind it. I know that - and I know that he believes that Jews started WWII. And I'm suggesting that it's anti-Semitic and racist because it's borlicks. It's age-old prejudice against the Jews but there are countless examples of war and misery around the world that have no influence from anybody even vaguely Jewish - although, if you're a conspiracy theorist and believe the CIA (or space aliens) are Jewish, you could claim just about anything was started by the Jews. What is true is that the USA has a very strong influence in the world and that there is a strong Jewish lobby in the US - but to link the two is a leap (mostly) of fancy. Given how reluctant the Americans were to join either of the World Wars (even though mass extermination of Jews was taking place in WWII) might give some clues. You may have something there Rich!
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 18:51
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The problem with joining the dots is when you think there is actually a picture (rather than just a messy jumble of dots) and you try to join them to confirm it.
For example, viewed objectively, if wanting to assess whether Blair was part of some conspiratorial Zionist plot pursuing a secret agenda for Israel, his public membership of Labour friends of Israel would actually point away from that. If you have already reached your conclusion you join the dots thinking it is corroborating evidence.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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07/07/2016 20:13
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Do any of you know where the term 'conspiracy theorist' comes from? The CIA. They used it to discredit anyone who questioned the official story about why JFK was assassinated.
Bullshit. Its found in use at least 50 years before the CIA even existed.
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Re: Chilcot Report
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John Smith - died after sudden and unexpected heart attack Donald Dewar - died after a fall Robin Cook - died after heart attack and fall Mo Mowlam - died after a fall
An awful of of people who stood in the way of, or opposed, a certain Labour leader died in sudden and similar ways!
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