I've been drooling over these all weekend and was surprised to see there's been little mention of them on here.

503bhp with a 'dry' weight of 1525kgs

If the residuals are what you'd expect on a high power Alfa saloon, then this will be one hell of a purchase in a couple of years!!!

The reviews I've seen so far seem to like them too, and on paper they look pretty rapid

It'll be interesting to see what residuals do. The 4C was re-selling above list but Alfa are already doing £7k "dealer contribution" and incredibly cheap finance on those.

They're also going toe-to-toe with the M3 or M4 and the C63 or C63S - you have to be reasonably brave to buy the Alfa...

I wish they'd bring the 276bhp manual RWD to the uk - I'd consider that.

I don't think you'd have to be brave to buy the Alfa- who wants the Merc of the BMW???

Those things are landfill on wheels!

The quadrifoglio is the most interesting car to come out of Italy in a LONG time in my opinion.

I was actually looking at purchase options on it the other night!!!??

Have you seen the EVO Henry Catchpole video of it??

here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT8LrA21vuo

I thought the same. One day perhaps? I wonder if it's just the map on the 197bhp version and so could be brought up to its full potential for a few hundred quid...

I've watched every review I can find! Clarkson did a nice write up too here

I've pulled all the spec of the websites (everything except final drive ratio and frontal area which I've estimated instead) and run it through the calculator. Either it won't actually make the quoted power or it will absolutely blitz an M3/M4 AND the AMG...

Gorgeous but I'll have to wait until they are about 5 years old! They should've let us have the manual though

I'll take one in red please!

(Well done Toby!)

Yes- the opening finance scenario, after the nominal £9k deposit, was going to be £700 a month...

Which puts it A little out of my league at the moment...

Ooh.. WHAT I would do, to be able to afford the quadrifoglio!!

I can't remember being as excited about a car in years!!

There appears to be a four wheel drive 276bhp version called the Veloce coming to the UK. 1484kgs. No sure on gearbox options on it yet...

I don't believe it! Really??

Lots of talk on t'internet about it!

So, I've fudged a few numbers and run it all through as follows because that sounds very interesting indeed!!!

Surface: Road
Weather: Dry
Compound: Sports
Short Shifting: Yes
Driven Wheels: Four
Weight (kgs): 1489
Weight Distribution (% on front): 55
Wheelbase (inches): 111
Final Drive Ratio: 3
1st Gear Ratio: 5.000
2nd Gear Ratio: 3.200
3rd Gear Ratio: 2.143
4th Gear Ratio: 1.720
5th Gear Ratio: 1.314
6th Gear Ratio: 1.000
7th Gear Ratio: 0.822
8th Gear Ratio: 0.640
Tyre Width (mm): 235
Tyre Profile (%): 45
Tyre Size (inches): 18
Gear change time: 0.2
CD (Co-efficient of drag): 0.32
Frontal Area (feet): 24

BHP @ 2000 rpm: 110
BHP @ 3000 rpm: 165
BHP @ 4000 rpm: 220
BHP @ 5000 rpm: 265
BHP @ 6000 rpm: 245
Redline Power (rpm): 6500
Redline Power (bhp): 195
Peak Power (rpm): 5250
Peak Power (bhp): 276
Peak Torque (rpm): 2250
Peak Torque (lbs/ft): 295

Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce
0-10mph: 0.4
0-20mph: 0.82
0-30mph: 1.29
0-40mph: 2.19
0-50mph: 3.11
0-60mph: 4.44
0-70mph: 5.88
0-80mph: 7.45
0-90mph: 9.6
0-100mph: 11.82
0-110mph: 15.01
0-120mph: 18.61
0-130mph: 22.93
0-140mph: 30.55
0-150mph: 44.69
0-160mph: 103.88

Top Speed (mph): 160.9
Top Speed (rpm): 5071
60-100mph: 7.36

60ft Time: 1.87
60ft Terminal: 38.3
330ft Time: 5.3
330ft Terminal: 66
1/8 Mile Time: 8.28
1/8 Mile Terminal: 83.6
1000ft Time: 10.79
1000ft Terminal: 95.6
1/4 Mile Time: 13.03
1/4 Mile Terminal: 104.5
0-400m Time: 12.98
0-400m Terminal: 104.3
1km Time: 24.2
1km Terminal: 132.3

With the greatest respect, and with experience of 17 Alfas under my belt, the landfill has far more Alfa stuff in it than Merc, car-for-car. I hope that this Giulia is the best thing Alfa have done since that last Giulia (which is what I race) but my experience of recent Alfas tells me I'll wait. The MiTo is horrible and the 4C was a massive missed opportunity. The Alfa dealer network is nowhere near ready to support a 500bhp car.
As for performance figures relative to the M3/M4 or AMGs, that's just pub willy waving stuff - utterly meaningless in the real world. And, unless the Pope has started hiring sex workers, I'm certain that the Merc at least will be better built and better thought-out for the real world. And watching reports of the Merc V8, it has potential for much much more power should the willy wavers deem it necessary.

I shall defer to your experience, MeanRedSpider- that made me laugh.

I have not, indeed, owned 17 Alfas: so you are well versed indeed to know. I have only owned one- and in fact: I toyed with the MITO and got no further than the test drive.

Yes- I'm talking with my heart, rather than my head, of course.

Even if it was half-rubbish, I'd still be very happy to own one. I aspire to it, in fact. Nothing else in that performance bracket appeals to me at all- but then: I'm an Italian car guy, through and through, and logic doesn't always spell out 'sense'. If you see what I mean.

Interesting observation on the dealers - though...

Trappy- HOW did you work that out???!!!

Yup - heart is always good when the experience is good which, for most of my Alfas, it was. The MiTo was a piece of rubbish though in nearly every possible way and the 4C was really disappointing - I could readily have bought one but it would have frustrated me every time I drove it.

As for dealers, it took them (with Fiat Chrysler UK support) 2 months to diagnose a fault on my 500 Dualogic gearbox and refused to give any support on the costs. What chance that they could fix something more sophisticated than a Fiat 500?

I REALLY hope the Giulia is a success - but I want to see what we actually get before I'd take the leap.

I have owned a few Alfas, most of the range in fact since the late 80s or early 90s, but have barely made it into the nawties, newst being my 54 plate GT V6.

Flawed, troubled, sometimes difficult, and luckily I do all my own spannering to deal with that.

My only detailed experience of BMW was a recent rental 5 series M badged diesel auto, which I was unfortunate to have as an insurance rental when my wife's Freelander got trashed.

It was well engineered, pleasant to drive, and the most hideous, ugly, nastiest place to sit I have every had the pleasure of using. Even my first car, a K plate (at the other end of the plate) Hillman Hunter 1725 twin stromberg estate, had a more scintillating character than this BMW thing.

My GT, the GTVs, my 155 Q4, and the 75 are quirky, flawed, and troublesome to a T, but they exude the type of character and charm I love in a car.

I reckon the Giulia might be flawed, but it looks like it will ooze the same charm and character.

In 5 years time, that will make it worthwhile to me.

The Giulietta has been pretty good so far. Some niggles though:

Failed external temp sensor (was telling us it was 40 degrees when it was 7 )
Cracked fog lamp surround
Broken clip on an interior storage lid
Warped disks (can happen on any car)

The dealers have been pretty good, and have fixed all under warranty.

It has other flaws, in that there is nowhere for your clutch foot to rest on, and the speedo is obscured by the steering wheel.
But, you do forgive it these issues due to the way it looks and drives. And the driving position is very good.

Can't wait to get it remapped....

I've been through most of the Alfa range from 60's onwards up to the MiTo - either owned or driven extensively (loads and loads of 155s, 145s, 146s as hire cars in Italy). Giulias x4, transaxles x3, Suds x2, 33s x3, 164s x2, 156, GT, MiTo - and it was the MiTo that cured me of modern "Virus Alfa" - none of what's good about Alfa with all of the issues. Life's too short. Ironically I never owned a 916 Alfa - went to buy a GTV V6 and came back with a 20VT.

Genuinely fascinating stuff...

I'm still on the lookout for a decent 146.

Don't want the TI, just the 1.8; which has a bigger fuel tank and rear discs. There's one near me, that has been owned for years- I'm always just about to leave a note under the wiper...

But... There is only so much money in the world...!

It's taken decades for the penny to drop in my mind on that shape- I LOVE it!!!

Quite a rare car now...

I also had a new 5 series M badged diesel auto as a courtesy car when my E60 M5 was in the garage. And I completely agree with you. The steering wheel, although this might sound picky but I'm mentioning it in context of the rest of the interior, was the cheapest most horrible steering wheel I've ever had the misfortune to use.

This experience all by itself has put me off ever being tempted to 'upgrade' my M5 to the latest version, despite the fact it's arguably better than mine in pretty much every measurable way.

Car looks good -I was at one of the 'official' launch events in an old warehouse in Glasgow !
Guy briefly told you the history of Alfa -- took you around a static photo display then a video clip which the screen then rolled back to reveal the car --- stuck in a corner 200mm from a back wall, 500mm from the side wall and when the screen slide back in place it was 1m from the front with terrible lighting --- so it was totally impossible to get a good view of the front or back !!
Not one salesman came near me and I waited 1/2 hour so I walked up to wait with another guy to see the girl who was booking test drives -- he had had the exact same experience as me -- shocking for the launch of their new 'Halo' car - to finish it off I was waiting to be seen when an Alfa guy walked up with a couple and said -- book this couples test drive next they have to go shopping now !!
I stood up and said well I must be invisible because I'm waiting to book my test drive --- as I have to go to work !! But I certainly won't ever be going to work in one of your cars -- and left
It was such a poor launch I actually wrote to Alfa --- still waiting on a response --- also parked a few metres away was a BMW M3 ( I guess to compare it to).
So what's my memories ? -- well I got a nice espresso -- spoke to nobody -got ignored - and the finish in the M3 destroyed the Alfa's flimsy feeling interior and ripply leather ( and I'm not a BMW fan)
So well done Alfa --- I definitely won't be going near any of you showrooms EVER !!

Oh dear Paul - that doesn't sound good. One thing Alfa really needed sorting was the UK dealerships. You would think they would have prioritised that. They need to get some real Alfisiti people involved. People with a passion for these things and not just for the money. I once went for an interview at a brand new Fiat/Alfa dealership and even the dealer manager confessed that I knew loads more about the cars and brands than he did! Needless to say less than 12 months later it ceased to exist and VAG took the place over...

Coincidence, the Alfa dealership garage only a mile from me has just stopped its franchise. Annoyingly it was also the Seat dealer - a handy place to take Mrs Ed's recent Seat Mii purchase

I went in a couple of days ago when I was told about this - talk about long faces.....

I'm really not surprised by this. I got a pre-launch letter where the print was flaking off the page. Then I was invited to book a slot at the launch test drives and every time I selected a "free" slot I was told it was booked. It was really poor. My recent experiences with Mercedes haven't been much good either though...

Isn't it a real shame that there are so many of us wanting Alfa to succeed and the only thing they seem to be able to succeed at is chasing us all away !!!!
Last year I was at the newly re- opened Alfa museum in the old factory where the built early Alfa's in Aresi Milan.

You forget how many amazing Alfa's there have been in the past
One of the best museums I have ever been too !!
the type 33 stradale is just a work of art- as are loads of the 50's ,60's and even early 70's cars I came away thinking I have to buy another Alfa ( last one was a 164 but with that glorious 3ltr busso engine -- car wasn't great but the engine was one of the greatest ever made)

But i fear they are now just another 'product' to be exploited by a bumbling sales and marketing team who don't have a clue what Alfa stand for --- what will I do ?
Probably go back in time and pick up either a 147 GTA or GTV with that 3 or 3.2 ltr busso engine and put up with the older Alfa foibles

I love my GTV Cup with the 3lt Busso, it really is a classic and great car.

Yup gorgeous car Mark -enjoy - and a Fantastic engine -- gotta try and get me a good one