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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: H_R]
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12/06/2017 12:42
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came2dance
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H_R I'm don't think you are entirely right. I don't think Labour could take over without another election but I also think your view are, well not old school exactly, but rooted in the thinking that became mainstream since Magaret Thatchers days, the emergence of the yuppies and the importance of self and self wealth. PeopleThe media and other unbelievers keep stating that Corbyn couldn't lead the party/country but it would not be a dictatorship. It would be Labour that got in not Corbyn. The same applies to any party but i think the country (or a lot of us - especially younger peeps) are sick and tired of rhetoric, spin and lies. It is about the party and policies more than personalities and policies that can benefit the country as a whole rather than certain wealthy individuals.
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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12/06/2017 15:47
12/06/2017 15:47
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The Tory's got substantially more votes than any other party as well as more seats so they are the nations favoured choice at the time of voting. That’s not strictly true; a little under 21% of the UK voted for a Conservative government. They got the most votes of any single party, fair enough, but it’s arguable that more people voted not to have another 5 years of Tory rule (if we assume that a large number of people voting Labour, SNP, Lib Dem, Plaid and Green would rather lose a kidney than have the Tories in charge again). They also got the most seats by some margin, but the margin is only so large because of our bent political system. If we had proportional representation, the Tories would have ended up on 189 seats and Labour on 178. Much closer. In any case, I completely agree with you that Corbyn has no mandate to try and form a government and he is silly to think that he does. If I were Labour, I wouldn’t be too hasty to take the reins at the moment. Whoever is in Number 10 has the unenviable task of negotiating their way out of the EU. It’s a poisoned chalice and I don’t see anyone coming out of it with much of a political career intact. No deal we strike will be good enough for the 48% of the country who didn’t want it to happen and the tabloid media don’t seem to be able to report anything but doom and gloom these days. If I were Labour, I’d bide my time. Build on the support they’ve already generated and reach out to some of the big name MPs who left the cabinet some time ago (Benn, Cooper, et al.) Focus on firming up those marginal seats and go to town on the marginally lost ones to turn them red in 5 years’ time. They ultimately need a plan for Scotland though. If they want a chance of beating the Tories at the next election they need to win back some of those seats lost to the SNP 2 years ago.
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Re: An informal election thread
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12/06/2017 17:59
12/06/2017 17:59
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When brexit was voted for last year,are there figures showing what political party the pro brexit voters favored?
It would be interesting to know.
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Re: An informal election thread
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13/06/2017 05:52
13/06/2017 05:52
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When brexit was voted for last year,are there figures showing what political party the pro brexit voters favored?
It would be interesting to know. The difference this time could be that, even the voters that wanted remain , accepted Brexit and wanted the best brexit outcome!(allegedly) So i think these results this year are fairly difficult to put in one box or another
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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13/06/2017 07:26
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Thought you was about to say you were going to run as a candidate Sounds like a good idea Jim! The system is definitely limited and not always representative!
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Re: An informal election thread
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13/06/2017 11:29
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Conservative polled 42.4% Labour 40.0% Yes, of those that voted.
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Re: An informal election thread
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13/06/2017 11:51
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MeanRedSpider
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Conservative polled 42.4% Labour 40.0% Yes, of those that voted. They're the only ones that count, though. There's absolutely no data to suggest that those that voted aren't representative of those that didn't.
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Re: An informal election thread
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13/06/2017 23:22
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If there is another election Corbyn would not be fighting May which could change things. So who else have the Tories got? Boris Johnson? Michael Gove? No contest!!
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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14/06/2017 05:42
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Conservative polled 42.4% Labour 40.0% Yes, of those that voted. They're the only ones that count, though. There's absolutely no data to suggest that those that voted aren't representative of those that didn't. I didn't make any assertion otherwise. Merely pointing out that "the majority of the country" didn't vote for the Tories.
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