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Buyer beware
#1608313
23/09/2017 09:16
23/09/2017 09:16
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Posts: 87 Notts
1200smithy
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I've got a couple of FIAT PF 1500 Cabrios and spotted a 16v Coupe on Ebay.It looked absolutely mint Rosso Speed Red in the pics and the attached blurb read like the spec sheet for a new car. I just had to have it. So going against all my own common sense I bid on it unseen and won it! I drove 150 miles to get it and when I saw it it looked absolutely stunning from 10ft. The interior was good for the mileage, 125,000. Cloth seats changed to leather. Now the bad bits! Most of the black external trim and the wing mirrors were tatty. I lifted the bonnet and saw a filthy mess. Loose wires, Leaking cam box cover, no belly plate and I could not see any original FIAT Fasteners anywhere, most with rounded flats. Various fasteners missing, The battery was shot, had to change it to get it out of Gt Yarmouth. I noticed 1 chip in the screen, but then found 2 more when I got home. Two ignition coils (?) were fitted, with roofing bolts. Still it got me home with good oil pressure, but I've got a mountain to climb to get this car anywhere near what I paid for it, but what the heck it will keep me out of the pub for a while!!
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: sharman]
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24/09/2017 15:24
24/09/2017 15:24
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1200smithy
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Yes Mate to my shame! Regards Smithy
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: AnnieMac]
#1608394
24/09/2017 15:29
24/09/2017 15:29
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1200smithy
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Thanks. I know, but the car is worth saving. Where it was it was doomed!!
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: jimboy]
#1608395
24/09/2017 15:30
24/09/2017 15:30
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1200smithy
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There's a first time for every thing. I can't believe I did it!
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: patrickstar]
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24/09/2017 15:33
24/09/2017 15:33
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1200smithy
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Cheers. If I need stuff I'll get back to you. Nothing will happen until spring next year except a general tidy. Can't believe that any one who was fastidious with external appearance was so lacking in basic mechanical knowledge!
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: sharman]
#1608401
24/09/2017 16:46
24/09/2017 16:46
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1200smithy
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Spot on Sharman. The car looked awesome on the outside, and the work described as done was considerable., However the engine bay and interior of the boot looks as if it was assembled by a guy with no mechanical knowledge or sympathy whatsoever, using fasteners etc from a bankrupt Victorian iron mongers. Obviously I don't know who did this and really don't care, but would like to find out more about the car. I have tried to contact Frary, on this forum,but to no avail. My biggest worriesare the cam and auxiliary belts, Supposed to have been changed, about 6000 miles ago,but no real proof. There is no rust, and the paintwork is 95% so far as that I can find, so I will get this car into proper mechanical condition, which includes ditching an expensive exhaust system that would be more suitable on a Group 5 rally car. Any help I can get from you or others on this forum will be greatly appreciated.
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: came2dance]
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24/09/2017 21:41
24/09/2017 21:41
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I have no idea whether I paid the right price, but not really too worried as in it for the long hall. It's basically tidy up time to start with until i have learnt more about the car. definitely the exhaust has got to go. Shame cos it looks brand new! I've got 2 other Fiats but they are off another planet, com;pared to the Coupe so I have a lot to learn with this car. One of these was an ex desert racer from California and came with wasps nest in the sub frame and a store of nuts for a squirrel in the seat squab. It has taken 16 years of my time, so far, and hope to get it on the road about Christmas.
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: sharman]
#1608415
24/09/2017 21:57
24/09/2017 21:57
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1200smithy
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Boot that's a story! Well there are no fasteners in this boot! All was loose and flapping about. Amazingly all the linings are as new. I would say a previous owner acquired a complete set from another car and simply threw all the fasteners away. Not only that but the side panels were not even clamped under the edge trim. The missing fasteners are a row at the front holding in the floor and and a couple more securing the boot roof lining. I guess these were plastic screw rivets or similar. There is a hard plastic cover at the rear which should be held with 3 screws. Only the central screw was nearly in, the other 2 were missing. Not a big job to sort out and ordered a load of Plastic rivets off E bay today and sorted out the side panels and hard back panel to day. Bonus is clear Waxoyle every where!
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: 1200smithy]
#1618738
11/04/2018 13:25
11/04/2018 13:25
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1200smithy
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More Horrors. Started to really look underneath now. Car has got new flex brake pipes ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) But they are at least twice as long as required and looped up with tie wraps to the springs here and there ![ooo ooo](/forum/images/graemlins/default/ooo.gif) , Don't know how it ever got an MOT. Then had a look at Fluid Res. No Float !! Front Discs next. Only about 50% of surface usable. Oh and near side rear wheel bearing worn. I guess there must still be places where a friendly MOT can be obtained!! So has any body got a used Brake fluid level float I can Buy and any clues as to where I can find brake pipe flexis will be very welcome. Good News at last ! Not a sign of corrosion new rad arms, top mounts, springs, Various? shocks and engine mounts fitted
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: MarioCirillo]
#1618742
11/04/2018 15:04
11/04/2018 15:04
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1200smithy
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Thanks. I will give them a call
Smithy 59 PF 1500 Lampredi twincam Cabrio, 63 PF 1500 Lampredi cross flow Cabrio, 95 PF 16v Coupe
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: 1200smithy]
#1618743
11/04/2018 15:14
11/04/2018 15:14
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sharman
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Wow!! A cowboy lasso! That should be a flexi but not that long. You say about "friendly MOTs". Your car lived in Norfolk most its life! It's the wild West here when it comes to MOTs. Ive only lived here 3 years and I could tell some real horror stories.
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: 1200smithy]
#1618774
11/04/2018 21:06
11/04/2018 21:06
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Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,643 Watford
MarioCirillo
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o dear they have used the front braided hoses on the back
please please please remove them and get a proper set of the OE hoses form FCSS
Many people have fitted these and many have failed. Jo can provide the hard pipes and the proper rubber flexies
Proud Owner of Rosso Speed LE041
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: Blueboyracer]
#1618787
12/04/2018 07:37
12/04/2018 07:37
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Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 221 norwich
sharman
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Making a profit
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I have been working on doing the work for the MOT on my 16v for months now, some welding and rear brakes. Maybe I should not have bothered as I am doing the work in garage in Norfolk (Caston) and taking it to a local MOT station tomorrow. That's how I felt after my last MOT. I spent 9 days doing a huge amount of work beforehand, welding in a new floor, flexi's , hard brake lines, steering rack.. big stuff. Dropped it into a place across from my work who I had no prior dealing with. But I could see his yard from mine and when he took it in I walked across the road to watch ( nervous about my welding) He ran the emmisions test and spent the rest of the time next to the terminal on his phone. It didn't go up on a ramp or on the brake rollers. And he didn't open the bonnet cause the cable snapped years ago. But it passed.
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: MarioCirillo]
#1618793
12/04/2018 08:44
12/04/2018 08:44
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Posts: 8,410 Lightwater, Surrey
DaveG
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Many people have fitted these and many have failed. What do you mean by that?
1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake
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Re: Buyer beware
[Re: Blueboyracer]
#1618801
12/04/2018 09:46
12/04/2018 09:46
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Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 978 Behind Enemy Lines
Master_Mariner
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I have been working on doing the work for the MOT on my 16v for months now, some welding and rear brakes. Maybe I should not have bothered as I am doing the work in garage in Norfolk (Caston) and taking it to a local MOT station tomorrow. If it doesn't pass- let me know. Have a coupe fan MOT tester near me....there are a lot of benefits of living in the wild east ;-)
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