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Re: Nest or Hive
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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There is a third way you know?
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Re: Nest or Hive
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Hive - for me - has been an expensive, unreliable PITA. That could be due to the installation being in an old house with poor connectivity between devices and a Heath Robinson heating/hot water system. Good luck, whichever you choose...
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Re: Nest or Hive
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17/11/2017 08:46
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There is a third way you know? go on...
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Re: Nest or Hive
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You know, the old "manual" way of doing things? I'm not sure what is broken that needs fixing?
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Re: Nest or Hive
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17/11/2017 14:25
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Sorry but I have to disagree. These modern devices give far more flexibility than a standard thermostat and basic programmer. They learn around your usage and predict when you need the system to be on. There is also clear evidence around cost savings that can be made.
Plus its a gadget and I love gadgets.
Having read up on them both I think Nest is the way forward for me especially as I will be zoning my system so upstairs and downstairs on different thermostats.
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Re: Nest or Hive
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17/11/2017 22:27
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as per rich, I work away, travel a lot, I don't really have a routine, some days working at home some days in the office etc etc
I think everyone is different however I do believe they have a place and add value over an analogue system
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Re: Nest or Hive
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If only I had the skills to teach a robot how to keep my fire alight... sigh
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Re: Nest or Hive
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18/11/2017 10:17
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I do believe they have a place and add value over an analogue system You are right, of course, I am just teasing
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Re: Nest or Hive
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A plumber brought in to help solve our Hive issues mentioned that the system is essentially a data harvesting scheme for Google. I'm not the world's biggest conspiracy theorist, but in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if "the man" had a hand in it.
For the record, I've spent almost 6 hours on the phone to the (excellent and always polite and friendly) Hive staff trying to fix our system. MrsC spent another 3. I'm not making this up, that is NINE HOURS on the phone. Waiting 9 minutes can seem a long time.
We had to reboot everything, one by one. Several times. This is a different procedure for each generation of each component and can involve pressing a sequence of buttons up to ten times at one second intervals, then waiting to see if it worked...
We changed thermostat batteries.
We had a new physical valve installed - not a Hive issue, but decidedly unhelpful. I diagnosed it (with help), but this was initially dismissed by others...
We had a new hub sent to us.
We had a new thermostat sent to us.
We had a new signal booster sent to us.
Each of these than had to be installed and connected to all the others.
If you (as we do) live somewhere prone to wi-fi/internet drop-outs - or teenagers that unplug things with no explanation or apology - be prepared to wake up to a cold house and cold water and a cheeky little red light on the Hive box. Set aside a few minutes for a re-boot...
It would be very handy if the Hive system could give you a heads-up if any component left the party. Maybe the app could be persuaded to do that?
Anyway, by and large it now works, but probably less reliably than a programmer/timer.
I can just about see the point if you live the kind of lifestyle described by MRS and Mario, but only if you can be sure it will work reliably.
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Re: Nest or Hive
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18/11/2017 18:55
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Great idea, especially if you leave a device logged on to your system and colleagues mess with your settings. Interesting to watch my former boss trying to explain to his angry wife why their heating had come on in the middle of summer and how he couldn't understand why he was unable to log in and fix it.
And no, it wasn't me.
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Re: Nest or Hive
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18/11/2017 19:57
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Experts say technology can do only half the job. A smart thermostat is only as smart as the person operating it.
If you live an erratic life then I can see the benefit if you don't and you can wait 20mins for the house to get some heat or hot water it seems a total gimmick and a waste of cash for another gadget that does not really add much.
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Re: Nest or Hive
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20/11/2017 13:28
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Avoid Nest like the plague. Overpriced pile of shite.
If I had my choice again I would go for one of the Honeywell systems.
Things I like about the nest.
The ability to set up schedules easily Having multiple routines per day Being able to set temperature per routine. (Morning event set to 19 degrees, Evening 21 for example) Being able to turn down the heating when away from home and daughters are still there.
Thins I hate All the smart features, yes all of them, and the fact that even when turned off they manage to turn on again! The fact that the home report gives you nothing (I want a daily breakdown of when there was heat demand). The support is terrible. It has not been updated in over a year. The Alexa app is too limited (I would like to be able to set nest to 21 degrees for an hour aka boost). It has to be plugged in!!!! The display can remain on and only shows current temp, unless you wave at it. I want current and target temp. The smart abilities are dumb. It's over priced.
Did I mention it's utter shite?
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