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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 11:08
06/08/2018 11:08
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Nigel
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You're right - very unusual post.... Some cars have leather, some have cloth. Anything that looks like leather WILL be leather - there's no artificial alternative A car with leather seats will also have leather steering wheel, gearknob and armrests (unless the seats were retro-fitted to a car which originally had cloth interior, in which case, the armrests and gearknob could easily be vinyl). I'm not 100% sure, but I think all 20VTs have a leather steering wheel
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 15:55
06/08/2018 15:55
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MarioCirillo
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most cars inc the coupe have a leather steering wheel so unlikely to avoid it unless you buy an aftermarket one which will likely be cheap plastic from china however as nigel says likely the chemicals will have some derivative of "animal" in them
You will also sacrifice the airbag if you replace the steering wheel.
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 16:05
06/08/2018 16:05
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GrahamL
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Gear knob, steering wheel and door arm rests are all leather, but you won't get very far without oil and petrol (both made from dead animals) anyway.
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 16:07
06/08/2018 16:07
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DaveG
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Tyres are made using stearic acid, derived from animal fats...Many adhesives, antifreeze and even brake fluid contain animal products Hey, are you sure about that? Tyres contain a lot of (man-made) styrene derivatives amongst other man-made and natural products (eg: natural rubber from trees), is that what you meant? And there was me thinking that anti-freeze and brake fluid were mostly man-made ethylene glycols, so I wonder what animal products are in there?
1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 16:15
06/08/2018 16:15
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DaveG
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you won't get very far without oil and petrol (both made from dead animals) anyway Indeed, and most non-metallic parts of the car are made from petrochemicals derived from oil or other hydrocarbons. Think of all the "plastic" parts and "rubber" parts, the carpets, headlining, insulation, headlights and tail lights, etc. - all petrochemicals. But the quest I think is not to stop use of already dead animals in all their forms, but to stop killing any more, so that the leather seats can be restored using faux leather (eg: PVC can be used to make synthetic leather, with some already dead animals in there) but not fresh new leather (which will result in a sacrifice of some living animals)
1996 Portofino 20vt & 2000 Pearl White Plus 1985½ & 2016 2017 Fiat 124 Spider + XF Sportbrake
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 19:39
06/08/2018 19:39
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Hey everyone I am a 54 year old male and vegan. I did not start this post to cause an argument. I have owned the coup for 14 years (off the road for 3) I am considering restoring ie investing time and money in this car. I am a passionate vegan (animal rights) not really caring for the environment ie chemicals etc. Probably animal byproducts are used in the production of all vehicles in many hidden places. I will not have a vehicle with animal skin as seats steering wheel gear knob etc. One of our other vehicles is a new fiat 500xcross with faux leather interior. I need to make a rational decision regarding selling my coup or changing the integrity of the interior to a non animal skin derivative, As my car is so original then probably the easy solution is to sell the car. Hi light, you're right it is an unusual post and it's the first time I've seen reference to this in a dozen years' forum participation! Your title strikes a distinct tone - perhaps anticipating (from bitter experience?) responses of a contrary nature - but I don't think anyone here is trying to be argumentative....perhaps fascinated as I am that this subject has arisen. Many of us have intolerances or allergies (me to wheat for example*) so why shouldn't someone else who is comparatively new to the forum (but not the coupe ). The "unusual" is the key word, but there's an equal responsibility as I see it on both of our sides to respect our fellow H-B's and attempt to understand the other's point-of-view. You love your coupe as you've had it for ages and not moved it on even when off the road so why not do your best as said above to eliminate the obvious no-no's (where you're concerned) and continue keeping it? As long as you're on top of the dreaded tinworm you have a fighting chance! Just my tuppence-ha'penny's worth..... *but with wheat how can I guarantee there are no traces of it in other products?
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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06/08/2018 19:42
06/08/2018 19:42
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Well, it’s tempting to stray into philosophy (and also whether the environment and animal rights can really be separate concerns!), but pragmatically... why not get a nice cloth interior (I’m sure there would be people delighted to swap) and have the steering wheel retrimmed in synthetic material? Agreed.... Btw rowl how's your steel grey? Pass it every so often Give us a shout if you want to risk neeting four mad chaps with a broomy 20vt project car
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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08/08/2018 13:07
08/08/2018 13:07
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Nigel
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Door cards possibly hardest to sort. Dead easy - Coupes with cloth seats had vinyl armrests on the door cards Five minutes to get the doorcard off, five minutes to swap the armrest, five minutes to put it all back together again. Sorted
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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09/08/2018 17:39
09/08/2018 17:39
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Interesting debate. Why not consider some aftermarket replacement front seats? The standard 20VT seats are not the most bolstered anyway and I believe it should be possible to get a direct fit replacement covered in say alcantara?
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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03/09/2018 16:31
03/09/2018 16:31
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Mark20VT
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I have a very good cloth interior in my spare 20VT. The car has only covered 49K and the seats and door cards are unmarked, no wear rips or tears. But obviously it would be a swap for the dead animal skin.
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Re: Most unusal post ever
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09/09/2018 15:28
09/09/2018 15:28
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JKD
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This is a very interesting topic indeed and not something that I would have ever thought played a part in driving/owning a car. Of course when you then realise that there will be passionate vegan motorists like Light and that there are products used in cars which will pose a problem for them, then it actually all seems quite obvious! Light, you say that you've got the budget for a full restoration. If so, just do it!
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