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20VT Plus #1670399
29/02/2024 01:38
29/02/2024 01:38
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Hello peeps,

I'm considering buying a 2000 Turbo Plus in Broom Yellow with the factory sunroof (muchos importante for me). It's done 200,000 miles in the hands of a forum member who I can't name. It's at Autosportivo in Bedford and it appears to be a pukka car. Massive service history, looks immaculate and I'm in love.
Apparently it needs nothing and has been a featured car on the Front Cover of Auto Italia magazine. Am I crazy to be considering it and how much should I pay?
All thoughts welcomed
Alan

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: montydog] #1670401
29/02/2024 11:52
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If I was going to view a 200k mile Coupe there are a number of questions I'd ask and a list of checks that would need ticking for me to be confident with parting with my money, at that mileage it would frighten 99% of people away as the majority of potential buyers looking to come in or back to the fold are always seeking out low mileage examples so they wouldn't consider this and probably wouldn't even bother viewing, the only difference here is it's a Yellow Plus which as you've learned are rare.

My questions would be:

Has any rust been repaired underneath and if so are there any pictures to show it was done correctly.
Is the underside covered in underseal.
Do the subframes look rusty, rear trailing arms etc.
What new components have been fitted in the past 5yrs, ie suspension, brakes etc.
Has the 6sp gearbox been rebuilt in its lifetime.
Is it the original engine.
What is the engine compression test results, leak down test would also be useful.
What's the oil pressure hot and cold, and has the engine ever been repaired.
What's the condition of the coolant system, hoses and a/c condenser and pipework.
Basic one, are all the keys present and work, code card, working key fobs.
Does the service history make sense, stamped book would be full at 200k.
Are quality branded tyres fitted, that says a lot about the previous owner.
Does it look rolled in glitter!

Price wise these days a Coupe is only worth what someone is willing to pay, what's the price tag Alan?

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: montydog] #1670402
29/02/2024 16:23
29/02/2024 16:23
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Hi Montydog,

Off topic a little (apologies), but did you give up on W159 SBD on Autotrader? Before I got my 20vt I did consider this one so I am wondering what the issues with the car were. Just being nosey :-)

Good luck in your search for a Broom Yellow car. They do look the dog's gonads in yellow to be sure.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Sandhurst] #1670403
29/02/2024 16:53
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Hi, no I haven't given up on W159 SBD. I put a deposit on it a couple of weeks ago and I was waiting for it to come off SORN and get a new MOT which it passed today. I'm test driving it on Saturday. It's between that one and another broom yellow Plus with the oh so important to me factory sunroof which I'm looking at on Monday. If I don't buy W159 SBD, I would be very happy to give you my thoughts on it if that would be helpful.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Countrycruising] #1670405
29/02/2024 17:11
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Hi and thanks for the extensive and detailed advice on what to look for on the high mileage coupe. It is a long story with this car. It was owned by a forum member and has featured on the front cover of AutoItalia magazine.The registration number is S20 VTS - does that ring any bells with you? If you go to the Autosportivo website and scroll through the list of short videos, you will see it with the magazine briefly featured. Apparently it is a very well known car in forum circles. I'm going to look at it on Monday and I'll bear your advice in mind. An Australian saw that short video and bought the car intending to import it to Australia. He was incredibly determined to have it as he would have to wait until May 2025 for it to be eligible for import. On top of that he would have shipping costs and import tariff to pay on top of 14 months of UK storage costs. He could clearly see that this quite a unique car with amazing provenance and wasn't going to be deflected. I have spent the last month trying to persuade him to sell it to me. We have just agreed a price which a bit daft but as you say - it's worth what someone is willing to pay. As far as I know, it's the only yellow Plus with the factory sunroof in the UK.
Thanks again for your help and any further thoughts would useful.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: montydog] #1670407
29/02/2024 17:28
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The registration doesn't show on my database but I do have a copy of Autoitalia with that vehicle on front page.

Now I've seen the reg I can see it was tested in August 2023 and passed with a list of advisories, corrosion being one so I'm going to assume it's pretty genuine underneath and untouched.

Advisory Notices

Offside front brake pipe corroded, covered in grease or other material (1.1.11 (c))
Offside front integral body structure is corroded but structural rigidity is not significantly reduced sill (6.1.1 (c) (i))
Oil leak, but not excessive (8.4.1 (a) (i))
Rear service brake low efficiency
Rear integral body structure is corroded but structural rigidity is not significantly reduced both side sills (6.1.1 (c) (i))
Rear suspension component corroded but not seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Countrycruising] #1670408
29/02/2024 17:32
29/02/2024 17:32
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Excellent - I had checked that. The current reg no is different to the plate on the front cover which is W949 YKK. I've looked at the Plus register on here but it doesn't show up. He may well have been a club member.

Last edited by montydog; 29/02/2024 17:33.
Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Countrycruising] #1670409
29/02/2024 17:44
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Hi again,
Can you tell me the issue number of the magazine featuring the car please. Thanks.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: montydog] #1670412
29/02/2024 18:19
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Yes I've found it, issue 224 October 2014, used to belong to John Anastasio who's well known on here.


Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Countrycruising] #1670422
01/03/2024 14:08
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Originally Posted by Countrycruising
Yes I've found it, issue 224 October 2014, used to belong to John Anastasio who's well known on here.

Another ULEZ victim I fear. We had John's Yellow Plus on the club stand at the NEC Lancaster Insurance Classic Show back in November 2018.


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Re: 20VT Plus [Re: montydog] #1670439
02/03/2024 09:00
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Hi, good luck with the viewing today. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the car. I was thinking about this one before I got mine. It does look great.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Sandhurst] #1670443
02/03/2024 17:53
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Hi, I drove W159SBD this afternoon. It's a really good car, drives very well, no knocks, squeaks or rattles. Interior is mint. My only reservation is that it's had a mediocre respray and could do with a MOP session. If John Anastasio's old car isn't perfect, I'll be buying W159SBD.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: montydog] #1670865
23/03/2024 15:09
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I'm in the same town as the yellow plus you mention. The shade of yellow looked off to me. Also, if I recall it was overdue a cambelt change. I'm holding out for a sprint blue plus.

Re: 20VT Plus [Re: Woka] #1670866
23/03/2024 15:30
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Good luck. There are very few Plus Coupes around. Put the word out on the various Facebook groups and contact specialists and tell them what you're looking for. The chances are that really good cars will sell under the radar and never make it to the usual used car sites.
M


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