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Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars #1670594
10/03/2024 00:29
10/03/2024 00:29
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Being pessimistic I doubt anything would ever come of this but it's worth a try......

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/654884

Last edited by barchetta_ms; 10/03/2024 00:29.
Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670595
10/03/2024 08:49
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Petition signed.
1 minute
Painless

Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670597
10/03/2024 09:48
10/03/2024 09:48
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Signed worth a try

Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670610
11/03/2024 11:04
11/03/2024 11:04
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Signed and shared thumb

Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670611
11/03/2024 11:09
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Ditto.

7,177 and counting....


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670627
11/03/2024 21:16
11/03/2024 21:16
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Uttoxeter staffordshire
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Petition signed
7,360 currently

Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: phil16vturbo] #1670629
11/03/2024 22:57
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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670640
12/03/2024 10:43
12/03/2024 10:43
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7472 signatures now, 16 of them here in the Aldershot constituency.


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670696
14/03/2024 18:07
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1k added in the last 3 days so at this rate it'll hit the 10k mark by the end of next week.

It's taken 2 months to reach 8k odd so little chance of it being discussed in Parliament but at least a response will be required, whatever that may entail...


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670849
22/03/2024 14:36
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"10,269 signatures

Government will respond
Government responds to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures

Waiting for 2 days for a government response"

Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1670850
22/03/2024 14:43
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Originally Posted by barchetta_ms
"10,269 signatures

Government will respond
Government responds to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures

Waiting for 2 days for a government response"



Pro forma response: "The government takes all petitions seriously and your views are very important to us. Unfortunately no-one is available for comment at this time. Do not respond to this message as this inbox is unmonitored"... chinny


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1671145
05/04/2024 11:38
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Answer given yesterday, no luck I'm afraid.

I wonder if going for 25 or even 30 year old vehicles might have had more success...but that might have had a detrimental effect on numbers signing perhaps.


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1671147
05/04/2024 12:48
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Not an unexpected result Simon.

What the government never mentions is that the tax exemption was originally set at a rolling 25 years old


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1671151
05/04/2024 14:07
05/04/2024 14:07
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South Kesteven, Lincs
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Try again next year I suppose when there’s a new government.

I noticed this part of their response (emphasis mine):

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The petition also referred to the costs of annual VED for a vehicle that is infrequently used. The current VED system is a tax on vehicle ownership rather than mileage, with rates based on factors including the vehicle type, engine size, date of first registration and carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. However, motorists additionally pay fuel duty on the petrol or diesel which they purchase, so those who complete significant mileage in cars that run on petrol or diesel will generally pay more in fuel duty than those who drive fewer miles.


If the VED is a tax on vehicle ownership then it should be a completely flat rate independent of all the other factors! confused

Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1671158
05/04/2024 14:54
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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: Echodelta] #1671160
05/04/2024 16:22
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Originally Posted by Echodelta
Try again next year I suppose when there’s a new government.

I noticed this part of their response (emphasis mine):

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The petition also referred to the costs of annual VED for a vehicle that is infrequently used. The current VED system is a tax on vehicle ownership rather than mileage, with rates based on factors including the vehicle type, engine size, date of first registration and carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. However, motorists additionally pay fuel duty on the petrol or diesel which they purchase, so those who complete significant mileage in cars that run on petrol or diesel will generally pay more in fuel duty than those who drive fewer miles.


If the VED is a tax on vehicle ownership then it should be a completely flat rate independent of all the other factors! confused


Indeed it used to be a flat rate and not so many years ago either.


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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: PeteP] #1671179
06/04/2024 06:43
06/04/2024 06:43
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Originally Posted by PeteP
What the government never mentions is that the tax exemption was originally set at a rolling 25 years old


I seem to remember in discussions at the time that it was originally set as a _date_ with no intention of making it rolling. I recall quotes from the time about peoples MGs never going to be covered, with associated rending of garments, ripping of hair, and gnashing of teeth.

It seems equitable that vehicles should be charged for their consumption/mileage, and that is most easily done through a fuel tax (which is a bit hard to avoid) but that is considered regressive, affecting most those who can afford it least. Also, when did you last see a government give up a tax?

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Re: Petition to reduce car tax on 20 year old cars [Re: barchetta_ms] #1671188
06/04/2024 20:10
06/04/2024 20:10
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Yes you are right Pete, it was originally a 25 year rolling exemption, I remember waiting patiently for my 1973 Fiat 124 Spider to become exempt in 1998 but the exemption became frozen in 1997 or something, and I was trying to think of a way to persuade the DVLA it was made in 1972...

...and many years later the rolling exemption was re-introduced but at 40 years, so I'm waiting patiently again for 2025½ when my current 1985½ SpiderEuropa becomes exempt...


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