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Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203687 02/10/2006 06:05 02/10/2006 06:05
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	Ok have had a search and i cant seem to find the info i want so have a few Questions if some one will be kind enough to answer:- 1. will the 2D aqua mist interface with the unichip? 2.If it dose interface, is there 2 maps one with and one without in case it stops working or runs out of water? 3. Does the 2D system have a way of tellinbg the unichip if its run out of water, so it can switch to the other map? 4. with the unichip , if i change my boost setting will it be ok, as in it dont have to be mapped for a certain pressure? Thanks G.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203688 02/10/2006 19:04 02/10/2006 19:04
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Yes to all questions! Joe <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203689 02/10/2006 19:30 02/10/2006 19:30
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Anonymous Unregistered A	You shouldn't really change your boost settings above what your car was mapped for as in the mapping process they should map the car to the maximum beneficial boost level

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203690 02/10/2006 20:46 02/10/2006 20:46
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	thanks Joe Quote You shouldn't really change your boost settings above what your car was mapped for as in the mapping process they should map the car to the maximum beneficial boost level lol john, i meant if i went lower boost.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203691 02/10/2006 22:05 02/10/2006 22:05
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Anonymous Unregistered A	sorry Genic, I'll give you my phone number, tbh, a 5 minute chat saves a thousand words! joe

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203692 02/10/2006 23:27 02/10/2006 23:27
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	thankyou joe, Your knowledge in this area will no doubt be invaluble. George. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203693 05/10/2006 18:51 05/10/2006 18:51
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	To run a safe system you should really use the DDS3 to switch maps as this can detect the correct amount of water is being injected.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203694 05/10/2006 23:20 05/10/2006 23:20
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	Quote To run a safe system you should really use the DDS3 to switch maps as this can detect the correct amount of water is being injected. hey Arthur hows things? strange you should say that , just booked my car in at pts for the unichip today , he said i needed the DDS3 so will be buying one, any ideas for a good place to buy one??? G.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203695 06/10/2006 00:17 06/10/2006 00:17
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I think it is better to have the DDS 2/3 as its almost failsafe and reacts instantaneously. It is not essential to have it though, but I have to say the DDS units have worked extremely well and reliably for me <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Joe

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203696 06/10/2006 00:26 06/10/2006 00:26
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	And i thought if i bought the 2d sytem i would not need any thing else <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> any way is this what i need? DDS 2 thanks

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203697 06/10/2006 00:59 06/10/2006 00:59
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Hi, you don't need anything else with the 2d afaik 2D wiring diagram if you look at the bottom you can see the relay SPCO which is normally open, but closes when it detects a blocked jet, you use this to interface with the Unichip to switch ignition maps. However, Paul has always preferred the DDS systems and so has Richard from ERL, the one you've linked to is fine , the same as the one I use. regards Joe <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203698 06/10/2006 03:10 06/10/2006 03:10
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	Dunno who i spoke on the phone, but he was very addimant that i had to have a DDS 3 (AFIAK a DDS 2 will be fine , only there are not in production any more) and that the 2D system would not work with out.I thought the 2D system would work by its self. Any way i will get the DDS 2 I linked too, suppose it is cheaper than a new engine <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> . thanks G.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203699 06/10/2006 16:04 06/10/2006 16:04
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Anonymous Unregistered A	You could always contact Richard Lamb from Aquamist directly, he is normally very helpful on the phone, and if anyone knows he would!,..still the DDS2 is a nice bit of kit <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Joe

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203700 06/10/2006 16:06 06/10/2006 16:06
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Genic - i'm arranging a GB on aquamist bits. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> DDS2 = £98 DDS3 = £125 Can you post in the Group Buy if you're interested.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203701 06/10/2006 17:48 06/10/2006 17:48
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Anonymous Unregistered A	The DDS3 is THE failsafe system, it is the only way to detect a blocked jet or disconnected/split pipe. I personaly would not have a dual map without one. £125 is a very good rpice for a DDS3. Kenno, you doing any deals on the 2D system?

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203702 06/10/2006 18:16 06/10/2006 18:16
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Hi Arthur,.. good to see you here again <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I fancy the DDS3 myself , but both pods have gauges so no room, have to make do with the DDS2 <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Agree seems to work faultlessly. joe

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203703 06/10/2006 18:21 06/10/2006 18:21
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Arthur - i'm not selling these... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> but found a guy in Wolverhampton who is. I can ask him how much a 2D is.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203704 06/10/2006 19:06 06/10/2006 19:06
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote To run a safe system you should really use the DDS3 to switch maps as this can detect the correct amount of water is being injected. I personally do not run more advance with water injection, I just use it for in-cylinder cooling (therefore I have my jet near the throttle rather than straight after the intercooler). Your failsafe SHOULD be the knock circuit on the engine management not the DDS3 as that is asking for trouble. For instance, I had a pipe split (between my solenoid and jet) - the DDS3 could not detect that as there will always be a pipe between the DDS3 unit and the nozzle. Likewise I have also had the nozzle 'blown out' of the intake and again the system could not detect this. If the map is done properly then all that happens if your WI fails is that the ignition is backed off to a normal non-WI level by the ECU.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203705 06/10/2006 19:15 06/10/2006 19:15
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strike4A My life on the forum S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,877 Islington	Quote I personally do not run more advance with water injection, I just use it for in-cylinder cooling (therefore I have my jet near the throttle rather than straight after the intercooler). Your failsafe SHOULD be the knock circuit on the engine management not the DDS3 as that is asking for trouble. For instance, I had a pipe split (between my solenoid and jet) - the DDS3 could not detect that as there will always be a pipe between the DDS3 unit and the nozzle. Likewise I have also had the nozzle 'blown out' of the intake and again the system could not detect this. If the map is done properly then all that happens if your WI fails is that the ignition is backed off to a normal non-WI level by the ECU. what mixture are you running john?

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203706 06/10/2006 19:18 06/10/2006 19:18
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Go on Joe, go for the DDS3! You can now get 3 pod a pillars!

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203707 06/10/2006 21:02 06/10/2006 21:02
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote what mixture are you running john? About 11.9-12.1:1 but because of the volume of fuel I'm using when my water injection is fully on (it is the 2C mappable system) it doesn't make much impact on the air/fuel ratio at all (I have a wideband lambda sensor+gauge). I'm still only running a 0.6mm nozzle as well, whereas I could use a 0.9mm easily. I also add a little methanol to the water. I do also dump more fuel at the top end for cooling as the standard OE ECU does.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203708 06/10/2006 21:11 06/10/2006 21:11
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strike4A My life on the forum S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,877 Islington	Quote Quote what mixture are you running john? About 11.9-12.1:1 but because of the volume of fuel I'm using when my water injection is fully on (it is the 2C mappable system) it doesn't make much impact on the air/fuel ratio at all (I have a wideband lambda sensor+gauge). I'm still only running a 0.6mm nozzle as well, whereas I could use a 0.9mm easily. I also add a little methanol to the water. I do also dump more fuel at the top end for cooling as the standard OE ECU does. sorry, i meant the mixture in the w/i tank i.e. 50/50 water/methanol or? good info anyhow, think the 0.6mm nozzle is suitable for most coupe applications.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203709 06/10/2006 21:19 06/10/2006 21:19
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Do you HAVE to use distilled water in the mix or can you get away with filtered/bottled water? I was discussing this with Rog20VT and after a while he decided that using 'volvic touch of fruit - LE (lemon edition)' will provide that extra bit of zest we're all looking for in our aquamist applications. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203710 06/10/2006 21:27 06/10/2006 21:27
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strike4A My life on the forum S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,877 Islington	Quote Do you HAVE to use distilled water in the mix or can you get away with filtered/bottled water? I was discussing this with Rog20VT and after a while he decided that using 'volvic touch of fruit - LE (lemon edition)' will provide that extra bit of zest we're all looking for in our aquamist applications. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> tap water is better than bottled water. the latter has all sorts of minerals in it which although good for your insides is not so good for your nozzle and could block it over time. if no distilled water available then use tap water. de-ionised water is another alternative as is a sort of conductor if i'm not mistaken.

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203711 06/10/2006 21:55 06/10/2006 21:55
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I use <10% methanol. I'd never use more than 40% meth personally. I always use boiled tap water, and I have one of those Brita filter kettles just for added measure <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203712 06/10/2006 23:24 06/10/2006 23:24
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Anonymous Unregistered A	John, You can set a high and low parameter with the DDS3 which will show if there are any problems. Example, if your map is set for 400 units per minute, you can set the parameters to 390 and 410, the lower figure for if you have a blockage and the higher if there is a split/hose disconnection. If the water is flowing between 390 and 410 then the ECU will go to the advanced map, either side and will stay on the "safe" map ie. the one not counting the WI. You can alter the display on the DDS3 so you can physically see this for yourself but obviously the important bit is the signal it sends to the ECU to switch maps. P.S. I do not work for Richard Lamb selling Aquamist stuff

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203713 07/10/2006 02:23 07/10/2006 02:23
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Genic OP My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	Kenno , have posted in the GB section for a DDS 3 ta. G <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203714 07/10/2006 03:04 07/10/2006 03:04
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Anonymous Unregistered A	that's right, if the flow is excessive it goes outside the parameters. Still if the pipe and jet disconnected <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />...lol <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I've tried to pull my jet off and its held in fast!,... won't come off in a hurry <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> joe ps why is your email Arthur@aquamist.co.uk then? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203715 07/10/2006 04:31 07/10/2006 04:31
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strike4A My life on the forum S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,877 Islington	Quote John, You can set a high and low parameter with the DDS3 which will show if there are any problems. Example, if your map is set for 400 units per minute, you can set the parameters to 390 and 410, the lower figure for if you have a blockage and the higher if there is a split/hose disconnection. If the water is flowing between 390 and 410 then the ECU will go to the advanced map, either side and will stay on the "safe" map ie. the one not counting the WI. You can alter the display on the DDS3 so you can physically see this for yourself but obviously the important bit is the signal it sends to the ECU to switch maps. P.S. I do not work for Richard Lamb selling Aquamist stuff Now that is clever. Kenno, I am trying to fight off your GB hard...

Re: Unichip and Aquamist Questions #203716 07/10/2006 05:24 07/10/2006 05:24
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	No point trying to resist. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> These prices are very good and i need to confirm numbers by sunday. Do it.. do it.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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