First of all a big thanks to Claudio and Rob at Perfect Touch, it was good to meet you guys <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh and I guess you lot want to know if it happened and what the results are <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well yes and no, Rob worked hard to map the standard ECU and got most of it done but he needed much more time to perfect it. Adding to the map in one point takes it out at another so its a very time consuming job.
Live mapping is possible on the coupe and after Rob has got it 100% sorted it will be done.
I think I ended up with a semi live map and a unichip but hey I dont care what its using, its the results that matter.

I'm not at home at the moment so I cant post up my graphs but the car drives completely differently, 6th gear now feels like 4th and there is a HOOOOOOGE amount of torque available from 2500 up to 6000rpm where it starts to drop off (superspool hybrid)
Rob gave me a choice of BHP or Torque and as I want a very driveable car I went for torque so the peak power is just over 300bhp and the torque is around 280Lbs ft (dont have the graphs on me so thats just off memory).

Anyway, I can fully recommend Perfect Touch for mapping, great guys and a great job <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

great results Jimbo!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

sounds like another good result at Perfect Touch, live mapping AND Unichip!!

So how come you still have to use the Unichip then?

Joe

What was your results previously?

Ross

Nice one Jimbo... this live mapping lark is not very easy <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Ross,

Last year it made 276bhp and 250lbs torque, since then its had C&B cams and from the first run at Perfect Touch it looks like they added 13bhp.
You'll see the graphs when I post them up next week.


I forgot to mention, there was a certain well known coupe already there, Im not going to spoil anyones fun but its going to be seriously quick when its finished.... or at least it was until I hid my bacon sandwich wrapper in the inlet piping <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Isnt cams usually rated at 10bhp and 15lb/ft? which means you probably had like 290bhp and 265lb/ft before live mapping which isnt finished yet.

Looking like Live Mapping might be useful!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Ross

but then it is cold at the moment which could make such comparisons difficult.

Jimbo, how come you still have the Unichip then?

Joe

Nice one Jimbo <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />! Is your car now all ready for Silverstone? Looking forward to seeing how it compares with mine, as our headline figures are pretty close now.

Phil

What boost and chip is that at Jimbo?

Joe,
They couldn't get into one certain part of the code and they were running out of time fast so I think they opted for the unichip as they knew it could be done before the shop closed.

Very similar temps to last years rolling road and Perfect Touch have a 100mph fan so probably similar to Powerstation.

Phil, yep Im ready all bar a brake fluid change and maybe some shorter springs at the front <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Do they have a way to work on this problem "offline", or are they going to have another go when the next coop rolls in?

Ahhh yes, the old bacon sandwich wrapper... that's no match for my turbo <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

jimbo do u mind me asking how much the live mapping cost?because i was goin to go there. perfect touch charge £110 an hour dont they? i need to get mine done soon wats better then live map or unichip?

You obviously haven't tried one of those burger van bacon sandwiches then !!! Not sure if the bun was still frozen or just 5 years past its sell by date <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

TurboNick,

I only paid for the unichip and 2 hours of mapping, they didnt charge me for the 4 hours of live mapping they did.

I know exactly what's going on there too <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

nice results jimbo & good luck in Silverstone

The Battle for Silverstone, took some unexpected and dark turns <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Joe

4 hours tuning time? 4 * £110/hour....... £440 (+vat)?

£500 for livemapping or £700 for a unichip with boost module? Im so confused!!!

Ross

Ross,

Give the guys a call and chat to them: 01992 443900

IIRC they are charging £450 + vat for a live map, I would rather have a live map than a unichip, its your own ECU doing the work not a piggy back device.

Jimbo (and Begbie/Barnacle if your reading) would they be able to do 16vt live maps now then? do the 20vt and 16vt ECUs differ that greatly?

This may be a great asset to 16vt owners as we have been previously stuck using plug and play chips or forking out a fortune on a compatible piggy back unit.

There are already people about that can do 16VT live maps. Ahmed Bayjoo has done some grales for instance, and I'm sure anyone who has done a Grale or a Cossie could probably do it fine

or you spend 70euro on an eprom writer and a few chips and then you start by yourself <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> (for 150euro you can do realtime map editing using a notebook in your car)

A wideband AFR and a EGT would be helpful (that's an extra 400euro - enabling logging as well)

Then you get your PC, TunerPro RT and some maps off JMA, or myself or others and get down to business <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

if you're interested I'm sure JMA or I could elaborate.
Anyways you don't start afresh, the existing maps are a good starting point and you choose what to change and howmuch.

V.

ooooh sounds cool, excpet my laptop is a mac, so thats extra spending <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, no no no i cant afford this. Stop teasing me u evil person u! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Do your maths mr. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />,

if you are OK with computers, the proposed solution runs cheaper and you have the extra bonus of tuning your car to your hearts content. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mind you, I'd be very happy if it were 5-6 or a dozen of us working on maps and exchanging BIN files. This way you could get a great custom map much quicker than working alone... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

V.

Im glad you guys rate perfect touch so highly, My punto GT is there at the moment awaiting its cold start map.

Hehe i'm good with computers but i'm also lazy. I just know i'll miss some important figure or all be in such a hurry to try things that i wont check my inputs and blow up the engine.

hey have u seen the perfect touch punto i think he should be running his 300bhp + nitros now all from a 1.4! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Jimbo, sounds good then, with all these good results coming out of the live mapping technique, sounds like the Unichip is going to have had its day!

Joe

saw a punto down PT with a coupe lump in it <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />