This would not be cheap i imagine as it would mean the unichip would have to really be able to control them at the higher boost levels as well as getting the inlet manifold machined to fit them perfectly snug?

*sigh*

he unichip is not the be all and end all tool for the coupe's! If you were going to control 10 injectors you would certainly not use a unichip to control them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We would be talking standalone ECU, not some crappy piggy back box to do the injection.

I was only suggestnig Unichip or the likes. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Deep breathes begbie....

It would appear that Flea's setup is still OK and hasn't drifted with the ECU trying to change the base maps.

Therefore, it would appear that live mapping could well be the answer.

I'm currently waiting for Perfect Touch to call me to ask me to come back to rid me of the truly horrible fuelling I'm currently putting up with.

It took mine 4 days to start its funny business.

it's strange that everyone is wetting their pants about live mapping when there still seems to be some problems <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

......just still be cautious chaps....

UNTIL a coop can run on the OEM ECU, witout a fcuk-box in between altering the signals, you WILL always have problems, as the OEM ECU is very very smart at adapting to out of tolerance values, ALL the uni-chip can EVER do is alter a known quantity of signals, NOT understand how to run the engine, that is what the ECU does <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

even, I am looking cautiously at the moment, as the coop is very much in its infancy with live mapping of the ECU, this just takes time, guinea pigs & some honest R&D on the rolling road <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

....remember the days when people reckoned it would take "specialists" to wire in Jap Apexi stuff to our cars ? Always seemed out of the realm, now they are as common as busted bottom ends <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Ha ha thanks Taz <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Yip i do agree its like the mapping of LPG systems. the more used they become and teh more people that adopt them for certain cars the more is learned about them <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

After getting my new clutch installed by Barbz yesterday (thanks mate) and racking up a few hundred miles to bed it in, I took a trip to Perfect Touch for a live mapping session this morning. From the mapping point of view, everything seemed to go well, a nice bunch of lads and a professional setup. However, my results were held back a little, as I couldn't hold boost that well at high revs, 1.3 bar was dropping to 1.05bar at the redline (costing me around 20BHP, the problem also seemed to lost me some low down grunt). Hopefully this will be solved simply by tightening the actuator. I'll post up the graphs tomorrow, however, for now here's how I did:

Petrol: 95RON

Mods:
Apexi Cone Filter
GT28RSR Turbo
H&S 5-stud 3" Downpipe
Milltek race cat
Milltek 2.5" cat back
PA FMIC
GReddy Profec B Spec II

Results:
.98bar dropping to .9bar - 292.2BHP, 245.6ft/lb
1.3bar dropping to 1.05bar, 317.7BHP, 287.5 ft/lb

Hopefully when I get the actuator sorted, I'll be getting 340 at 1.3bar. Rob also said he couldn't advance the ignition as far as on other coops due to the 95RON (I think mine was 9 degrees compared to 15). I forgot to ask Rob what the at wheels figure was!

317 at 1.05 bar is good!!! You got the graph there??

Ross

Yep, can't post it till tommorow though - I've got a long trip home first <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Oh right. Be interesting to see exactly what Live Mapping does.

Ross

All they do is adjust the fueling and ignition i.e. kind of like a custom GTEC, except they're using their maps tailored to your car! They adjusted mine to 11.5 AFR midrange and leaned it out towards the redline and advanced the ignition by 9 degrees (I think). In my case, the Fiat chip was way too rich and the GTEC1 too lean in the midrange, I see it more of a peace of mind mod!

If it's not a rude question, how much did your live map cost?

Very good results David... and on 95 RON fuel as well. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

absolutely shattered to hear this , Jimbo.

hope it can be sorted.

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Graphs posted on this thread

Jeez for those mods thats dam good!

I dont have a cat but my spec is near enough the same David.

Did you do hollyhead don leary(sorry for bad spelling <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />)

Long drive as well i agree. you coulda stopped over at mine if it had been another time to break up the journey <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> but maybe another time hey would be cool to see a southern irish coopster <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm actually a little dissapointed! after my last dyno run I was hoping for 340 with a little more low down oomph - which should still be hopefully possible.

yeah, drove back to holyhead last night, nearly ran out of petrol in the middle of nowhere, all of the petrol stations were closed after the M6 <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Enjoyed going through the tunnels in Wales with the windows down <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

They are good for that <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Should get a blueflame like mine <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
The shell one along the M56 shoulda been open and one or two further down usually are along teh A55 <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ah well, tip for next time, print off map with shell stations on route using autoroute and working out where abouts you will start to run low and fill up near there <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

having lumpy idle/cut-out problems this lunchtime, hopefully just a coincidence <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

David, Im going back in tomorrow to try and get my lumpy idle and cutting out sorted. I'll keep you posted on the results.

Yes please Jimbo im still keeping my eye on this <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Damn David fairplay thats one hell of a run!!

Has anyone else had problems like this? how did it feel on the drive home?

Iain

The drive home was fine but I didnt really spend any time with the car on idle. I only noticed 2 days later when I drove the car again, it started and cut out after 30 seconds, then I drove to get some petrol and it cut out again in the queue, then again at a roundabout.
It just does it whenever it likes but not all the time, its now getting a little lumpy to pull away in 1st gear.

Im also finding it very jerky to drive, even a slight lift off the throttle makes the car lurch ? Made for some interesting driving on the track yesterday !

I had no problems driving home, although that was 300 miles at reasonable (ahem...) pace. Mine isn't lurching, it just cut out a few times, flickered between 500-800 rpm, cut out and the battery light came on <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> It might just be coincidence (ICV might need a clean) as my mapping should have been fairly straight forward.

Ok, I drove back over to PT today and had a chat with Rob about my little cutting out problem.
He's adjusted the map on the unichip so its not altering anything at all on closed trottle, I will wait a few days before I post up the results as it took a few days for it to start cutting out last time.
The jerking on lift off however is much better now so I'm quite hopeful this is the problem solved.

I did learn that mine is just controlled by the unichip and not a half and half as I originally thought.

Rob was a top bloke as usual and hopefully will be joining us on some track days in future <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> lookng forward to that.

I've just got off the phone to Rob and I'm booked in for Friday 8th.

Let's see what the 3" turbo back and aquamist does. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

might need some methanol there kenino!

How many hours mapping do you think that will take Ken? What is the estimated cost?