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Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240564
20/11/2006 15:46
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Great results mate (I'm very jealous <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

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Amazing power... Did you grind the manifold anything?

Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240566
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Great results. I heard about this last week as Barbz has had my car for the last two weeks. I'm going for the live mapping route as well now after talking to Barbz.

One question though, do you know of a better way to control the aquamist? I have the 2d system and DDS3, so I would like a method that would get the best of these without using a Unichip just for this. Any ideas?

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Now you have a 2 litre car, which really can compete against the 2.4 litre Coupes in 1/4 mile <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. I guess you can hit some 12.5s / +120 mph (normal street tires) with this power and go even low 12s with DOT approved slicks.
Next summer these will be also my goals <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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20/11/2006 21:25
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Awesome results Leight. You'll be able to give me a proper kicking now rather than just a kicking (mildish one)! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

presumably you're all forged now + flowed head? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240569
20/11/2006 21:35
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Wow !!! it`s all been said already,but i`ll say it all again,great results,great torque curve,WELL DONE <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />......we have about the same spec (apart from turbo), been meaning to fit my bigger injectors and get it all mapped properly,but after Nigels hassles <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> i just hung fire.......seems pefect touch have answered my prayers <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, need to get my *ss in gear now ,great result from a 2 ltr especially keeping it driveable too,must be `fun` to drive now <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240570
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Wow !!! it`s all been said already,but i`ll say it all again,great results,great torque curve,WELL DONE <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />......we have about the same spec (apart from turbo), been meaning to fit my bigger injectors and get it all mapped properly,but after Nigels hassles <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> i just hung fire.......seems pefect touch have answered my prayers <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, need to get my *ss in gear now ,great result from a 2 ltr especially keeping it driveable too,must be `fun` to drive now <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Can you tell us what specs he has then? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240571
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Wow !!! it`s all been said already,but i`ll say it all again,great results,great torque curve,WELL DONE <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />......we have about the same spec (apart from turbo), been meaning to fit my bigger injectors and get it all mapped properly,but after Nigels hassles <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> i just hung fire.......seems pefect touch have answered my prayers <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, need to get my *ss in gear now ,great result from a 2 ltr especially keeping it driveable too,must be `fun` to drive now <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

If you aint got your act into gear and handed your car over to barbz within 3 months im gonna steal your coupe!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Ross

Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240572
21/11/2006 19:57
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it WILL be done.....pronto like too <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240573
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Wow !!! it`s all been said already,but i`ll say it all again,great results,great torque curve,WELL DONE <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />......we have about the same spec (apart from turbo), been meaning to fit my bigger injectors and get it all mapped properly,but after Nigels hassles <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> i just hung fire.......seems pefect touch have answered my prayers <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, need to get my *ss in gear now ,great result from a 2 ltr especially keeping it driveable too,must be `fun` to drive now <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Can you tell us what specs he has then? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

lightened/balanced flywheel,forged pistons and rods,C&B cams,Full headwork..3 angle seats bigger inlet valaves,full 3" exhausts (inc 5 stud downpipe), Aquamist,uprated fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator ,fmic,Apexi,Gtech 2 chip,bigger injectors,and turbo.straight ind pipe,with freeflow airfilter,probably a couple of other things but can`t remember offhand <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Flea has a unichip .I didn`t bother before now as it couldn`t `really` cope with bigger injectors.but thie issue may now be overcome
I also have a chargecooler fitted too,I think Flea has, but can`t rememeber

Oh!!! and the `magic` of Barbz <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />..........Flea has managed to get it all to work together very very well ...........unlike me .....yet <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240574
21/11/2006 20:19
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Nice work Flea - Quality stuff.

Any chance of posting a graph of a standard coop torque and bhp against yours? Just think it might be amusing to see <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240575
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the biggest question, though Paul ,is the type of turbo Flea is running <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

My money is on a GT3071R to account for the airflow and effeiciency to run that power, or probably one of Barbz hybrids based on this design,.. ok Flea, so how much do you want to pay me for being right? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Technically a large housing GT2871r might *just* get there, but unlikely.

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I spoke to Barbz about this a while ago..he had a `few` ideas for turbo`s then <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.....so don`t think you are far wrong <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I think you'll find it was Professor Plum with the candlestick in the Kitchen. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Nope................. Barbz, with a torque wrench, in the garage,but don`t tell anyone <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

and i`m off to work now <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />,why did i buy a new business again <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.oh yea ,so i can make my coupe faster <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: A few tweaks here and there... #240580
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Maybe an HKS unit??? More pricey but plenty would bolt on without too much hassle.

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Damn all those mods...If only I could afford em <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Well at least I have forged pistons hehe <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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This means that the new owner of my engine can hope for 500bhp..........one lucky guy <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

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the biggest question, though Paul ,is the type of turbo Flea is running <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

My money is on a GT3071R to account for the airflow and effeiciency to run that power, or probably one of Barbz hybrids based on this design,.. ok Flea, so how much do you want to pay me for being right? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Technically a large housing GT2871r might *just* get there, but unlikely.

Joe

The answer is no.

Ross

Re: The final result... 480bhp & 367lbs/ft #240584
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As is customary for me after any major modifications, I went to Powerstation which I use as my base dyno to get another fueling check and power run. This allows me to check the fueling a few days after to make sure it's all still kosher and also to undertake a couple of cold runs on the dyno. My coupé was at Perfect Touch for 4 days and was on the rollers all day for three of them!! While this is necessary for mapping the heat soak in the engine cannot be negated so it's always useful to conduct a cold run when the dust has settled <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I decided to run 1.6 bar today given that produced more torque at Perfect Touch despite it dropping off quicker than 1.5 bar giving a lower peak power. So a quick sprint up the M5 for 9.30am and on the rollers. It was a nice clear day with ambient temps of 10c making it ideal for a good power run <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Run 1 @ 1.6 bar

480bhp & 367lbs/ft

Run 2 @ 1.5 bar

474bhp & 360lbs/ft

You can see my graphs here

Created a little bit of a buzz at Powerstation I can tell thee <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> As Rob predicted at Perfect Touch, "This will absolutely piss 400bhp" <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

So that's the good news, the bad news is the auxilary belt tensioner bolt came loose on the way back which meant no power steering and no aternator power <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I forgot to mention that when Rob was road testing my car last week the aux belt totally shredded itself <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Luckily it didn't take out the cambelt as can so easily happen! Anyway, not quite sure what is going on here but Barbz is on the case <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

So there you go... no nitrous, no race fuel and all at 1.6bar which is pretty low boost compared to similar power from Evos and Scoobies etc. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Just hope I can get the car sorted for Silverstone <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


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Amazing results there Leighton, very impressive. Just do make sure it's 100% for Silverstone!!

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Amazin. 60bhp from changin dynos. Need to try that myself.
What was the at the wheels power?

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Frick me thats a hell of a lot thru the front wheels matey <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Time for some launch control aka mavric stylee hey!!

If you get than from the 2liter block god knows what them 2.4 guys are going to be pushing out soon or 2.5 units!!

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60bhp increase at the flywheel, 6bhp increase at the wheels!

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Just hope I can get the car sorted for Silverstone <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Now, now no excuses Flea <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

good work btw <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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@h2ypr, not jealous are we? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Forget about catching the 2.4/2.5's up, you've now overtaken them all (albeit at higher boost probably I'm guessing)! IIRC Mavric's 500bhp was with race fuel? Well done mate! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It would appear you have less power at the wheels yet a higher flywheel figure than JohnS...anyone able to explain this? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Frick me thats a hell of a lot thru the front wheels matey <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Time for some launch control aka mavric stylee hey!!

If you get than from the 2liter block god knows what them 2.4 guys are going to be pushing out soon or 2.5 units!!

Interesting point there Will as I had a chat with Rob about this. He said peak power rarely changes by increasing displacement however it will certainly help fill out the bottom end creating a less peaky engine <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> His 950bhp Skyline doesn't make useable power until 5000rpm which sounds bad but then again he redlines at 10000rpm so still a huge power band! The most powerful evos are 1000bhp and that's the same from both a 2 litre and a 2.3 stroker.


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Amazin. 60bhp from changin dynos. Need to try that myself

Powerstation use a MAHA dynamometer quite a few about <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Very true flea but have they been pushing their other components as much as you are doing now as i would be interested to see what barbz own engine or mavrics as the advancents with 20vt work have come a long way since the days the first 2.4's rolled off the TI line and were coming with 450bhp+...

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