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Uprating the rear calipers #400107 23/07/2007 21:06 23/07/2007 21:06
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Anonymous Unregistered A	AP Racing are kicking up a fuss about uprating the rear calipers on the kit that they will be doing for me as they dont do a caliper that allows for the handbrake. I've asked them to try and mount the standard caliper in tandem to keep the handbrake, however are there any other rear calipers out there (perhaps from a Alfa) that are a straight swop and work better? $\:\)$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #400118 23/07/2007 21:12 23/07/2007 21:12
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	Seat Leon cupra R should work and allow a vented disc (not sure what diameter). I suppose you could space it out too and fit whatever diameter you wanted. Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #400357 24/07/2007 02:03 24/07/2007 02:03
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Jimbo Je suis un Coupé J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone	You could always use a spot caliperlike this one to run in series with the AP rear larger image here these are just tiny little handbrake calipers with no effect on normal braking, or do as Willwood have done and build it into the rear pad like this . I certainly wouldn't run both the AP and the coupe caliper as you'd be doubling your unsprung weight on the rear.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Jimbo] #400428 24/07/2007 03:10 24/07/2007 03:10
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Anonymous Unregistered A	As you know Si, I'm investigating an option for a vented rear disc shortly. I believe that this will allow a straight swap with the standard caliper for something that can accommodate the handbrake as well, but need to check it all out first $;\)$ . Mind you, it won't look as nice as that Wilwood one $\:#$ $\:D$ ! Phil

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #400832 24/07/2007 16:46 24/07/2007 16:46
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I know your looking at things Phil. $;\)$ Jimbo - I'll see what AP have to say, thanks for that! $\:\)$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #400937 24/07/2007 18:05 24/07/2007 18:05
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Anonymous Unregistered A	This is interesting.... Is it posible to swap the handbrake for an hydraulic unit that would make it possible to use 350z or Evo brembos...??

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401123 24/07/2007 22:24 24/07/2007 22:24
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Sorry if this is a stupid question chaps, but could you not use the handbrake to run some kind of slave cylinder to drive a standard set of Brembo calipers? I'd be interested in how this turns out, having replaced all of my rear caliper workings and still having useless handbrake $\:\)$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401141 24/07/2007 22:50 24/07/2007 22:50
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	handbrake has to be on a different circuit and cable AFAIK.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #401146 24/07/2007 22:56 24/07/2007 22:56
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Anonymous Unregistered A	So having the cable linked to a seperate cylinder to drive the caliper wouldn't be any good then John?

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401147 24/07/2007 22:58 24/07/2007 22:58
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	The handbrake has to be mechanical. Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #401153 24/07/2007 23:04 24/07/2007 23:04
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Anonymous Unregistered A	OK, so the rear Porsche brakes that look the same as the fronts actually have the handbrake mechanism attached?

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401204 25/07/2007 00:44 25/07/2007 00:44
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone J Jimbo Je suis un Coupé
Jimbo Je suis un Coupé J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone	Phil, are you trying the VAG rear calipers with a set of 16vt/20v front discs on the rear ?

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Jimbo] #401319 25/07/2007 03:20 25/07/2007 03:20
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Well I'm going to give JohnS's VAG calipers a try with some Fiat Punto front discs (257 x 22mm vented), but I need to get all the bits together first and then see how things fit together. In theory it looks possible, but only time will tell $;\)$ . Phil

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401335 25/07/2007 03:35 25/07/2007 03:35
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	What model punto disc do you need? I have some kicking about in my garage that I need rid of. They're the 14 million grooved type tarox too. $\:D$ Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #401361 25/07/2007 04:03 25/07/2007 04:03
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I think they are the 1.8 16v ones from the facelift model. There is a 1.4 Stilo equivalent as well IIRC. Phil

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401375 25/07/2007 04:24 25/07/2007 04:24
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	Hmmm, mine were for a 1.2 sporting 98 model. I'll check them tomorrow if you want? Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #401532 25/07/2007 14:23 25/07/2007 14:23
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Anonymous Unregistered A	How does the Evo etc pass the MOT then? Could go for an aston martin double caliper setup $\:\)$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #401555 25/07/2007 14:49 25/07/2007 14:49
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Jimbo Je suis un Coupé J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone	Aston's just use the spot caliper like the one I posted above. I think Scoobys use a drum handbrake inside the disc but dont quote me on that so the EVO ones are probably similar to that.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Jimbo] #401944 25/07/2007 22:14 25/07/2007 22:14
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JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	yes both evo and scooby have a drum brake inside the rear disc

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #402932 27/07/2007 04:08 27/07/2007 04:08
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted By: mattB Hmmm, mine were for a 1.2 sporting 98 model. I'll check them tomorrow if you want? May as well check them Matt, but I don't think they will be the right size $;\)$ . Pick up the calipers from JohnS tomorrow, so may try offering them up on Saturday. Phil

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #403196 27/07/2007 15:47 27/07/2007 15:47
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Why uprate the rear brake calipers? 90% of the braking force on a FWD car like the Coupe is required at the front AFAIK. Dave

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #403270 27/07/2007 16:39 27/07/2007 16:39
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted By: Gillo Why uprate the rear brake calipers? 90% of the braking force on a FWD car like the Coupe is required at the front AFAIK. Dave To fit bigger/better disks at the back as it might also be to do with not being able to upgrading the front brakes too much further as there isn't much room for upgrade/bigger brakes at the front due to the size of the Brembos unless you have bigger wheels fitted. I thought it was more of a 70/30 split with the braking?! Mark Last edited by Mark_K; 27/07/2007 18:14.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #403336 27/07/2007 17:57 27/07/2007 17:57
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I'm trying to get the back of the car to behave better under braking - I thought the same and had completely standard rear brakes for a good while as a result. I then changed to textar rear pads, and there was noticeably less rear lift when braking hard. Last time I was on track I also had a siezed bias valve - so the rears were doing very little. Unless I was braking in a dead staight line things got a bit wobbly.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #403353 27/07/2007 18:10 27/07/2007 18:10
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Anonymous Unregistered A	When the caliper is taken from another car to go on the back, will a spacer or plate adaptor be used to attach the caliper to the hub or how will that work? If that's the case, won't it make the caliper go out of line of the hub by the width of the plate/adaptor and therefore not allow the disk to sit tightly on the hub? I'm just trying to work this out in my head... Mark

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #403455 27/07/2007 19:40 27/07/2007 19:40
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Jimbo Je suis un Coupé J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,706 Gone	The VAG caliper is a direct fit to bolt on to the trailing arm of the coupe, its gettig the caliper centred on the disc that might take a little while with some shims.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Jimbo] #403469 27/07/2007 19:54 27/07/2007 19:54
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I see. Thanks for that. $;\)$ Mark

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Jimbo] #403589 27/07/2007 23:25 27/07/2007 23:25
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Genic My life on the forum Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,618 Oswestry	Originally Posted By: Jimbo The VAG caliper is a direct fit to bolt on to the trailing arm of the coupe, its gettig the caliper centred on the disc that might take a little while with some shims. I could be wrong , but I dont think the coop's caliper is centered on the disc, sure I have read some where..

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Genic] #403602 27/07/2007 23:46 27/07/2007 23:46
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	It is centred on the disc although it has a bit of float in it either way. Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #403661 28/07/2007 01:26 28/07/2007 01:26
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Well I now have some bright green Skoda vRS calipers to try from JohnS (thanks $\:D$ !). At first glance, this isn't going to be straightforward, as the slider on them is at a more pronounced angle than the Coupe ones, so may need to play around with some shims and the like. There may be some other options from an older Fiat model, so I'll have to do some investigation... I'll keep you posted $;\)$ . Hmm, green and Sprint Blue $\:s$ $\:D$ ! Phil

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #410754 08/08/2007 17:46 08/08/2007 17:46
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted By: JohnS yes both evo and scooby have a drum brake inside the rear disc Would either of these options work on a coop: http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/shop/info.asp?fldID=694&backID=121&location=&pagecurrent= http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/shop/info.asp?fldID=695&backID=121&location=&pagecurrent= they're both designed for a scoob.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #410772 08/08/2007 18:08 08/08/2007 18:08
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Think it would be easier & cheaper to make up a wee braket and buy a second small caliper like jimbo suggested... Dont know if it would be possible to create a brake shoe set up inside the disc.. Last edited by 13ad13oy; 08/08/2007 18:09.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #410788 08/08/2007 18:29 08/08/2007 18:29
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	Suba - they still use the drum based braking unfortunately so not much use. The drum is on the inside of the bell of the rear brake disc. Has anyone looked at whether the Alfa GT has a vented rear disc?

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #410939 08/08/2007 21:33 08/08/2007 21:33
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted By: JohnS Has anyone looked at whether the Alfa GT has a vented rear disc? They are solid too: http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=17&Number=356710&

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #412336 10/08/2007 15:45 10/08/2007 15:45
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted By: JohnS Has anyone looked at whether the Alfa GT has a vented rear disc? John, I've just serviced a brera this morning and found out it has vented rear discs. $\:#$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #439429 20/09/2007 19:22 20/09/2007 19:22
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suba Unregistered S	Update - I am getting PRETTY DAMN hacked off with AP Racing (one of their suppliers at least). They have now had the parts to make a kit for nearly three months, and have come up with nothing - not even a phone call. I last spoke to them 3 weeks ago and asked if they could give me a date for getting the kit completed by the following week, still nothing. I'm thinking I should be taking my business elsewhere - thoughts anyone? $\:\($

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #439444 20/09/2007 19:34 20/09/2007 19:34
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JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	Originally Posted By: dink Originally Posted By: JohnS Has anyone looked at whether the Alfa GT has a vented rear disc? John, I've just serviced a brera this morning and found out it has vented rear discs. $\:#$ Did it have an integral handbrake in the caliper? Slight trouble with Brera is it's built on a Vauxhall platform so the historic Fiat group compatibility is partially lost.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #450040 05/10/2007 16:00 05/10/2007 16:00
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suba Unregistered S	I’ve given this job to another company called comp brake now. After talking through the options for rear brakes this morning they seem to think that using an Audi TT V6 rear calliper would work well on the coupe and allow for the handbrake to be incorporated in the calliper. The only issue is going to be that the front end of the handbrake cable is going to be FIAT, and the rear end is going to have to be Audi. Sorting out that part is also going to be my responsibility. Can anyone advise me on what is going to be involved and who I might be able to get to do the work?

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #450045 05/10/2007 16:15 05/10/2007 16:15
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oxfordSteve Forum is my job O Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly	Originally Posted By: JohnS Slight trouble with Brera is it's built on a Vauxhall platform so the historic Fiat group compatibility is partially lost. That's not right is it??

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #450057 05/10/2007 16:40 05/10/2007 16:40
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	Originally Posted By: suba I’ve given this job to another company called comp brake now. After talking through the options for rear brakes this morning they seem to think that using an Audi TT V6 rear calliper would work well on the coupe and allow for the handbrake to be incorporated in the calliper. The only issue is going to be that the front end of the handbrake cable is going to be FIAT, and the rear end is going to have to be Audi. Sorting out that part is also going to be my responsibility. Can anyone advise me on what is going to be involved and who I might be able to get to do the work? Urm the TT V6 rear caliper is what Phil is using $;\)$ - same as the vRS. The handbrake cable will work as both calipers are lucus/girling fitment. Former low boost hero - 616BHP@1.5 bar. 2.4 20VT RIP

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #450063 05/10/2007 16:50 05/10/2007 16:50
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suba Unregistered S	Sweeeeeeet! $\:D$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #450076 05/10/2007 17:24 05/10/2007 17:24
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Truffle Unregistered T	Originally Posted By: suba Sweeeeeeet! $\:D$ Duuude!

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #450112 05/10/2007 18:13 05/10/2007 18:13
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,295 Sandhurst Begbie Ex El Presidente
Begbie Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,295 Sandhurst	Originally Posted By: Truffle Originally Posted By: suba Sweeeeeeet! $\:D$ Duuude! and theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen? Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: oxfordSteve] #450113 05/10/2007 18:14 05/10/2007 18:14
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	Originally Posted By: oxfordSteve Originally Posted By: JohnS Slight trouble with Brera is it's built on a Vauxhall platform so the historic Fiat group compatibility is partially lost. That's not right is it?? Yes - that;s right. The hubs etc are vauxhall platform based, so the rear caliper may not be compatible at all. You can tell the hubs are Vauxhall based as they've moved to vauxhall alloy fitment and new brera and 159 alloys won't fit a 156, GT, GTV etc. John

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: Begbie] #450116 05/10/2007 18:16 05/10/2007 18:16
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Highwayman Unregistered H	I have a plan for the handbrake cable Si, as soon as I get a chance to have a look at it $;\)$ . Hoping to find some time for the next phase of my rear brake development project this weekend. Phil

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #450124 05/10/2007 18:23 05/10/2007 18:23
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	when I looked I thought they had the same connector? Anyway it is easy to swap over the arms etc or even fit an adapter. On my beetle cabrio (old style) I have Porsche 944 brakes and I have a simple adapter to convert porsche fitment handbrake cable to Beetle fitment handbrake cable

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #450125 05/10/2007 18:24 05/10/2007 18:24
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suba Unregistered S	goody - keep me informed and I'll do the same!

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #450150 05/10/2007 18:59 05/10/2007 18:59
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oxfordSteve Forum is my job O Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly	Originally Posted By: JohnS Originally Posted By: oxfordSteve Originally Posted By: JohnS Slight trouble with Brera is it's built on a Vauxhall platform so the historic Fiat group compatibility is partially lost. That's not right is it?? Yes - that;s right. The hubs etc are vauxhall platform based, so the rear caliper may not be compatible at all. You can tell the hubs are Vauxhall based as they've moved to vauxhall alloy fitment and new brera and 159 alloys won't fit a 156, GT, GTV etc. John Ah, sorry, I misunderstood the first comment, I thought it was being said that the Brera itself was based on a Vauxhall platform, rather than just the rear brakes.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: oxfordSteve] #450159 05/10/2007 19:11 05/10/2007 19:11
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	the whole brera is on a vauxhall platform. The 2.2 engine is a vauxhall engine, the 3.2 V6 is a vauxhall engine with an alfa head

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: JohnS] #450236 05/10/2007 20:51 05/10/2007 20:51
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly O oxfordSteve Forum is my job
oxfordSteve Forum is my job O Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly	Is that right? I never knew that....learn something new every day!

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: oxfordSteve] #450263 05/10/2007 21:42 05/10/2007 21:42
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading JohnS I need some sleep
JohnS I need some sleep Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,158 Near Reading	the grande punto is built on the same platform as the corsa, and the croma is built on the same platform as the 159 and vectra $\:\)$ Now GM have pulled the plug on the relationship with Fiat it means that Fiat will probably develop their own platform for the next brace of cars.

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #478017 08/11/2007 01:31 08/11/2007 01:31
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suba Unregistered S	It's coming along Nicely: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/suba11/DSCN3693.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/suba11/DSCN3692.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/suba11/DSCN3691.jpg Calipers are off the new Audi TT....

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486249 17/11/2007 00:16 17/11/2007 00:16
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suba Unregistered S	...and here's the fronts: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/suba11/DSCN3751.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/suba11/DSCN3748.jpg $\:D$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486265 17/11/2007 00:30 17/11/2007 00:30
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Matty Unregistered M	$\:#$ $\:#$ $\:#$

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486283 17/11/2007 00:52 17/11/2007 00:52
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suba Unregistered S	Now where the F*ck is my wallet!

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486292 17/11/2007 01:06 17/11/2007 01:06
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	Looking good Si. That's a damn decent effort you've put into getting this developed. What they gonna cost? I have no will power. $°\($ Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: mattB] #486315 17/11/2007 01:26 17/11/2007 01:26
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suba Unregistered S	I'm not telling

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486328 17/11/2007 01:47 17/11/2007 01:47
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Nobby Unregistered N	Hmmmm... nice

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486334 17/11/2007 01:53 17/11/2007 01:53
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davidub Unregistered D	Fair play to ya mate ...

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486560 17/11/2007 18:47 17/11/2007 18:47
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Kenno Unregistered K	Si get them to buy a better camera! Focussing is pants. Is the front caliper in a carbon effect??

Re: Uprating the rear calipers [Re: ] #486563 17/11/2007 18:54 17/11/2007 18:54
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