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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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09/08/2007 20:56
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63 in the tank and a few in the lines and pipes.
Ross
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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09/08/2007 20:57
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Now that Morrisons have started selling E85 (85% bioethanol 15% petrol), I was thinking it could be a very cheap and easy octane booster. I have a couple of local Morrisons that sell it therefore if I fill up a jerry can I should be able to add X litres to a full tank of V-power to get a 5-10% bioethanol/petrol mix. This should increase the octane rating by a point or two, it is in fact what Tesco 99 is made from i.e. 5% bioethanol. The general consensus is 5% is definately safe on engine parts and 10% is unlikely to do any damage. So how many litres is the standard coupé fuel tank? Do you know if any of v-power is made from this? Ross
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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09/08/2007 21:07
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Thats what i was thinking. There is a morrisons petrol station round the corner from me, and i'd be VERY interested in copying this for safety reasons.
Ross
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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09/08/2007 21:22
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Doesn’t DaveG work in petrochemicals? He would probably know.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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09/08/2007 21:52
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V-Power is NOT bioethanol based. I can't use any e85 as my fuel swirlpot/surgetank is aluminium and it will corrode it.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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09/08/2007 21:55
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V-Power is NOT bioethanol based.
In my head i just said "yummy"  Ross
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 02:29
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In terms of performance it won't make much difference other give you much better anti-knock protection which is always nice. I would like that safety buffer, esp on a track day or rr session. Ross
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 14:21
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AFAIK Tesco 99 has poorer anti-det properties than V-Power so I'm not sure it is a blanket better for ignition advance.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 14:54
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People here in sweden have been mixing e85 with petrol for quite a while. 30% as freddan72 uses is not very uncommon at all. Even more common is 100% e85 (with mapped car or uprated fpr) People have run like this for years and engines last. And as I said in my other post, people tune e85 cars and get amazing poweroutput. 350bhp with e85 on a standard 2.0l engine with a mitsu td04 15t is quite impressive.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 15:23
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Very interesting topic this one.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 17:22
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You could easily change the OE fuel lines to PFTE as quite a lot of it is hardpipe anyway under the car. Probably nopmore than a days work to swap the lot.
The issues that are less obvious are probably more related to the fuel pumps we use and whether they will arc etc. as that has been a problem I believe because E85 has much more conductive properties.
Re Tesco 99 - I saw it on a knock link on a V-Power mapped car and there was a lot more noise. Whether it was actually knock I don't know. Also it depends on your compression ratio whether you get more power due to more energy from the fuel or more advance from the igniton.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 17:55
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No, no problems with fuelrail or fuelpump.
We have a site here in sweden wich covers e85 conversion, where they discuss risks etc. According to their information materials that can handle petrol can also handle bioethanol, usually its the other way around that is the problem. Materials wich handle bioethanol without probs might have problems with petrol. This according to rubber and hose manufacturers material-tables. Of course this might be different in other countries wich do not have the same level of quality on bioethanol.
The only big problem as i see it, is starting your car on a cold day when you use bioethanol.
Flea: In think the number one reson people do it is because of the lower price on bioethanol here in sweden.
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 18:18
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Have to admit I always found Tesco 99 RON had good strong midrange at the expense of a little bit of power compared to say Shell Optimax.
Joe
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 18:21
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Tesco = 99ron Optimax = 98ron
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 18:35
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chicken donar = 108RON 
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 19:04
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Is that with or without chilli sauce?
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 19:33
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Doesn't adding bio ethanol give rubbish MPG?
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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10/08/2007 19:42
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Is that with or without chilli sauce? Chilli sauce is king!! Everyone knows the after-burner effect 
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Re: Bioethanol 5-10% mix
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27/08/2007 06:25
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Here in Brazil, all the gas nowadays have 25% of ethanol, it's impossible to buy 100% pure gas... When the car was imported to Brazi, back in 96, it was around 15% of ethanol... the engine was de-tuned (to 137hp)
And, yes, ethanol gives u rubbish mpg... my brother drives a Citroen 1.4 C3 FLEX (any combination of ethanol and gas) when he uses ethanol, it consumes 10-15% more... but, you get some extra horsepower, the engine makes 89 hp with ethanol and 86 with gas, IF i remember well...
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