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Re: Timing belt
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03/08/2007 20:45
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Yikes. I’d say you’re on borrowed time there. After the first replacement it’s recommended to get the belts changed about every 20-25k on the 16VT engines. At least that’s what I’ve read on here.
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Re: Timing belt
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03/08/2007 21:40
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Re: Timing belt
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03/08/2007 21:53
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I think you're looking at the same as the original cambelt interval on the 20vt but I'd recommend getting the auxiliary belts replaced (or at least checked) after two or three years.
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Re: Timing belt
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04/08/2007 04:10
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Timing belt last changed at 59k, now mileage is 100k, can someone help with recommended time to change it? Also anyone know where to get new sump for 1995 16VT? Thanks. As has been said, please change All the belts NOW!
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Re: Timing belt
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04/08/2007 14:50
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Yes, as in make sure they change the aux belts and the balance shaft belt (and all tensioners) along with the timing belt.
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Re: Timing belt
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04/08/2007 15:02
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Cheers, I'll get on the case.
Seems from your location that my [grown-up] nippers are in yr part of the world - used to live just down from Lock 16, former hq of the great girder grog.
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Last edited by Edinburgh; 05/08/2007 15:50. Reason: action!
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Re: Timing belt
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05/08/2007 16:23
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Who ya getting to do it? somebody local? - Assuming you're in E'brg
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Re: Timing belt
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06/08/2007 00:03
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10/10. Arnie Clark at Gorgie, going in beginning of the week. They made an effort to trace a sump, so for that they could be mentioned in despatches I reckon. They probably tried Kenny Harrison Fiat at East Claremont, used to be a Lancia man, now converted, but I might check in the morning anyway as he has a pet supplier. Not sure how these suppliers work, maybe they only deal with their own favourite contact.
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Re: Timing belt
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08/08/2007 18:34
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He seems alright that kenny chap, took my car for its last MOT there
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Re: Timing belt
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09/08/2007 04:29
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Edinburgh, you the coop at strathearn road?
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Re: Timing belt
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09/08/2007 04:36
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lol pass it every day for over a year
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Re: Timing belt
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10/08/2007 19:51
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Hi how much your cambelt change costing you? Judging by this thread I should really be thinking about doing mine too
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Re: Timing belt
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10/08/2007 20:46
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Anxious, guilty and suitably chastised.......
Thanks for the advice, I had some from the dealer which sounded really generous, viz. change every 72,000 or 5 years whichever is the sooner.
Sounds like I should have been on the next change of belts even.
Matty - you said ALL the belts? 72k or 5 years is the 20V engine. It is a bit generous even for that.
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Re: Timing belt
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10/08/2007 22:48
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Not being done till Toosday, along with an engine clean/pullthrough and the long-awaited sump change! [They have actually got the sump off the disused engine now, it's just a matter of getting it to Arnie's from Broxburn, which I've offered to do, but they have insisted they'll do that ] I'll let you know the sentence n/week.
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Re: Timing belt
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13/08/2007 15:59
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Anxious, guilty and suitably chastised.......
Thanks for the advice, I had some from the dealer which sounded really generous, viz. change every 72,000 or 5 years whichever is the sooner.
Sounds like I should have been on the next change of belts even.
Matty - you said ALL the belts? 72k or 5 years is the 20V engine. It is a bit generous even for that. So is it 32K and 3 years there after?
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Re: Timing belt
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13/08/2007 16:45
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Of all the Coupe engines, 20v can go longest with 36k, followed by 16v at 32k, then 20vt 28-32k, then 16vt at 24k due to balance belt. When doing the 16vt belts, besides tensioners, also do the waterpump. Remember, the more the car is revved, the less miles to change belts. Town car belts will need doing sooner then Motorway cars, due to stop and start, which wears belts quicker. I know this has been discussed a million times, but its still relevant that cars are doing far to many miles between belt changes. Lancia specialists on the Integrale engine recommend 24k max for belts. Anything else, and you are taking a huge risk. Andy.
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Re: Timing belt
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13/08/2007 16:54
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But saying that Powerfiat say 50k for the 20vt
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Re: Timing belt
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13/08/2007 20:47
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Of all the Coupe engines, 20v can go longest with 36k, followed by 16v at 32k, then 20vt 28-32k, then 16vt at 24k due to balance belt. When doing the 16vt belts, besides tensioners, also do the waterpump. Remember, the more the car is revved, the less miles to change belts. Town car belts will need doing sooner then Motorway cars, due to stop and start, which wears belts quicker. I know this has been discussed a million times, but its still relevant that cars are doing far to many miles between belt changes. Lancia specialists on the Integrale engine recommend 24k max for belts. Anything else, and you are taking a huge risk. Andy. ??? Where did this all come from The 20VT is 72000 miles or 5/6 years. Same for 20V. It even says in the handbook. Still the same recommendation for the Stilo Abarth which has a similar configuration to the 20V, probably still to the Thesis 20VT. The fact that specialists recommend lower is because the quality of job is slightly compromised by the in-situ mechanism of changing the belt, the age of the ancillary components, the original guide is slightly generous and the fact that many are tuned. That wouldn't lower it to 28-32k more like 50-60k I would guess. The only belts to have gone earlier were probably either tensioned wrongly or taken out by an ancillary belt breaking. The varying strategy of town driving etc. does make a difference but that is factored into the EITHER mileage OR duration requirement. On 20Vts you should change all belts and tensioner and water pump as a matter of course.
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Re: Timing belt
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13/08/2007 22:35
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But saying that Powerfiat say 50k for the 20vt i do indeed. there is no reason to change it earlier providing the previous belt change included the tensioner, idler and water pump. However as john has stated its most common that the auxiliary belts fail and cause problems with the cambelt, aux belts should be checked in services, and may well need changing after just 15k due to light cracking appearing.
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Re: Timing belt
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13/08/2007 22:49
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Remember the more you tune your car the quicker the belts wear. More power = faster acceleration and more load on the belt. c&B cams mean higher cam ramp rate which increases the load on the belt a lot. Higher rev limiter also increases the load etc. etc. So a 350BHP car with C&B cams, a Squadra chip or Perfect Touch live map and a 7300rpm limiter should probably be looking at about 35k between belt changes. 400BHP probably equals more like 25k miles between changes.
If you do track days that also causes the belt to get very hot through continuous acceleration so again that will reduce the time between changes further.
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Re: Timing belt
[Re: Edinburgh]
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14/08/2007 00:29
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Belt changes every 2 years? Time to buy shares in PowerFiat!
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Re: Timing belt
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14/08/2007 00:38
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mine was done at 54k and ive had the anxiliary belts and tensioner done at 86k ive just covered 91k and once i get to the big one or the money sooner im booking to see rog.
heard the most common problem for the timing belt going was the auxiliary belt snapping and taking the other with it!
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Re: Timing belt
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14/08/2007 00:54
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heard the most common problem for the timing belt going was the auxiliary belt snapping and taking the other with it! Yup. Take a look at my post!
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