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on a search for 400+ bhp #453040
09/10/2007 22:26
09/10/2007 22:26
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TurboNick Offline OP
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Right, just to cut a long story short. Iv been looking to sell my car and buy a 350z, then thought why not just use the extra cash to upgrade my car a lil more instead evil

so this is where i stand. I have all bolt on mods now running around 350bhp @ 1.25 bar boost. So what i want to know now is what sort of engine internal upgrades will i need and how much will it cost. So far i have come up with forged pistons and a new turbo i think because i have gt28rs.86 housing is that correct?

i am planning to upgrade my suspention as well as theres a nasty nocking sound when going over big bumps so if someone could let me know the best handling gear.

cheers for any help!


Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: TurboNick] #453067
09/10/2007 22:45
09/10/2007 22:45

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Headwork improves power and spoolup, you'll have to check the torqueitalia website for prices, I can't remember. There is a thread on this somewhere.

Tubular manifold - better spoolup and I think power. Expensive though, around 1 grand.

External wastegate - better spoolup and power, no idea on the cost.

Thats some things off the top of my head.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: TurboNick] #453077
09/10/2007 22:58
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Originally Posted by TurboNick
Right, just to cut a long story short. Iv been looking to sell my car and buy a 350z, then thought why not just use the extra cash to upgrade my car a lil more instead evil

so this is where i stand. I have all bolt on mods now running around 350bhp @ 1.25 bar boost. So what i want to know now is what sort of engine internal upgrades will i need and how much will it cost. So far i have come up with forged pistons and a new turbo i think because i have gt28rs.86 housing is that correct?

i am planning to upgrade my suspention as well as theres a nasty nocking sound when going over big bumps so if someone could let me know the best handling gear.

cheers for any help!


To do it properly you need
- head that can flow 400BHP
- ported exhaust manifold
- Forged pistons
- Forged rods
- Helix clutch
- Walbro GS341 or GS342 with voltage mod
- Live map or whatever
- 380cc/min injectors or better
- full 3" turbo-back straight through exhaust without cat would be advisable
- Decent boost controller I suppose

But then you don't really want to run std brembos for 400BHP either so think about brake upgrades to - 330mm disc/caliper conversion ideally

Think carefully about it as you wont add much value to your 7-11 year old car for doing all this...

John

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #453091
09/10/2007 23:16
09/10/2007 23:16
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TurboNick Offline OP
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ye i know but looking on autotrader and things like that the cars no worth selling either. cheers for the help lad that realy helps especialy when johns coupe is running 616 bhp! damn top stuff!


Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: TurboNick] #453131
10/10/2007 00:12
10/10/2007 00:12
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Are you still on standard suspension Nick as I know you like your track days?


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Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: Flea] #453184
10/10/2007 01:16
10/10/2007 01:16
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a lot will depend on which turbo you choose ,and will effect how the car drives/responds too.


was Paul S,now just paul...Member since Oct 2000,Coupe may be FATALLY injured - :(oh no it's not smile
Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: paul] #453309
10/10/2007 02:37
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Sorry forgot cone filter, SIP and decent FMIC.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #453428
10/10/2007 04:16
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Glasgow,Near Florence..If only...
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and deep pockets wink


was Paul S,now just paul...Member since Oct 2000,Coupe may be FATALLY injured - :(oh no it's not smile
Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: paul] #453498
10/10/2007 12:17
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And a swear box!

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #453524
10/10/2007 13:54
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And a understanding partner... better still stay single laugh


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Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: Nellybear] #453526
10/10/2007 13:57
10/10/2007 13:57

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Or be very good at hiding things in the garage, and not getting things posted to your house etc etc

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #453554
10/10/2007 14:33
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and double your budget and expect things to take twice as long


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: Begbie] #453614
10/10/2007 15:52
10/10/2007 15:52

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Originally Posted by Begbie
and double your budget and expect things to take twice as long


+1 wink

having said that, you do have a feeling of emptiness once all is done (not there yet, but say 90% done atm...)
Is it serious, should I start therapy I wonder rolleyes

V.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #454041
10/10/2007 23:47
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as soon as it`s done you think.......................why didn`t I do that tooo,and you start all over again....ask John smile


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Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: paul] #455378
12/10/2007 16:08
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get used to visting your local ECU mapping place,..VERY often! wink

Joe laugh

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455392
12/10/2007 16:24
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Originally Posted by Vas
Originally Posted by Begbie
and double your budget and expect things to take twice as long


+1 wink

having said that, you do have a feeling of emptiness once all is done (not there yet, but say 90% done atm...)
Is it serious, should I start therapy I wonder rolleyes

V.


When you're doing pioneering or challenging stuff often the journey is better than the outcome. For me the interest was always in the engineering and using the engineering to push the boundaries of the car and my knowledge. I would quite happily start again on a different project if someone offered me decent money for my car.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455432
12/10/2007 17:23
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How much would you roughly budget for 350hp to 450hp Engine?

- Turbo (Off set against selling 28R £900)
- head that can flow 400BHP (£1k)
- ported exhaust manifold (Tubular £1k)
- External wastegate (£400?)
- Forged pistons
- Forged rods (£3k Fitted)
- C&B cams (£600)
- Helix clutch (Would a Walkers 6 survive?)
- Walbro GS341 or GS342 with voltage mod (£100 Balance against selling 255)
- Live map or whatever (£1-2k)
- 380cc/min injectors or better (£?)
- Swirl Pot (£250?)
- full 3" turbo-back straight through exhaust without cat would be advisable (Got that but £750?)
- Decent boost controller I suppose (Got that too but again £300)

I DON'T want to add that up sick laugh

Would Evo front mount survive?

Last edited by 13ad13oy; 12/10/2007 17:24.
Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455437
12/10/2007 17:29
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If you're spending that much why not add another grand and get MOTEC with traction control and all the other bits.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455447
12/10/2007 17:45
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erm - because it's a lot more than a grand?!?!?!?!?

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455451
12/10/2007 17:47
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Aye - but he's already budgeted £2k. wink

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455479
12/10/2007 18:16
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Which is what it will cost without installation and mapping... frown

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455548
12/10/2007 19:14
12/10/2007 19:14

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If i was going to 450hp then I think I would Motec! I'd imagine it would be worth it! Coz the power would be totally usable!

Who does it?

Are my Estimates correct?? confused

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Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455560
12/10/2007 19:27
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Motec for a Coupe has only been done by Owen Developments in the UK. Cost is thick end of £2k for the ECU plus a lot for mapping and some more for traction contol. Not a cheap option by any means.

As for prices -
- Turbo (Off set against selling 28R) - £500
- head that can flow 400BHP (£1k)
- ported exhaust manifold (Tubular £600)
- External wastegate (£400 inc piping
- Forged pistons
- Forged rods (£3k Fitted)
- C&B cams (£650)
- Helix clutch (Would a Walkers 6 survive?) Probably not because they use recon cover plates
- Walbro GS341 or GS342 with voltage mod (£100 Balance against selling 255) if you already have a 255lph you may be ok, it's only the GS340 and the low pressure version that cannot flow it.
- Live map or whatever (£1-2k) £750 I guess
- 380cc/min injectors or better (£?) £250
- Swirl Pot (£250?) £500+ with all the piping - but you will also then need an external pump which adds another £100 - if you do this you DO NOT need to uprate your in-tank pump as it flows without pressure so can flow enough.
- full 3" turbo-back straight through exhaust without cat would be advisable (Got that but £750?)
- Decent boost controller I suppose (Got that too but again £300) Probably would want an AVCR

Evo 6 intercooler is just about up to it.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455562
12/10/2007 19:30
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I think you have three options for an external ECU:

Motec M400 / M800
Pectel SQ6
OMEX OM17

For motec you'll be going to Owen Developments.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455565
12/10/2007 19:36
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Talking £9k... So Far :eek:

Maybe I'll get a loan 4 £10K laugh

Who makes Tubular manifolds? is that a custom affair?

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455567
12/10/2007 19:38
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You can also use VEMS instead of Motec. Full system inc. wiring, install and car setup is usually around £1k in our country. Shouldn't be much more in UK then!?

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455568
12/10/2007 19:39
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Of the three only on the Motec is there a base map available AFAIK, and it is the only proven one. It does offset the cost somewhat because a base map can be a couple of days work/labour to do, and in general tuners charge anything from £75/hour upwards.

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455570
12/10/2007 19:40
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Originally Posted by 13ad13oy
Who makes Tubular manifolds? is that a custom affair?


Doesn't have to be. I noticed one on saito's site and have my italian tuning shop on the case. laugh

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455576
12/10/2007 19:49
12/10/2007 19:49

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But for an external waste gate it would have to be custom?

I like the sound of Motec. What other features does it have?

I not very bright me confused

Thanks

Re: on a search for 400+ bhp [Re: ] #455578
12/10/2007 19:51
12/10/2007 19:51

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Originally Posted by Kenno
I noticed one on saito's site laugh
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