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Re: Ignition Advance
[Re: Saint]
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08/12/2007 05:29
08/12/2007 05:29
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Nobby
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No I don't think so.
Peak engine power is achieved when peak cylinder pressure is achieved around 12-14 deg after TDC.
In order to achieve this you need the spark to ignite the mixture sometime before this point, and depending on how much fuel/air is in the chamber this point varies.
Imagine this. 200cc N/A cylinder filled with perfect AFR @ atmos pressure. Spark plug ignites it and its burns for 5 miliseconds. 200cc turbo cylinder filled with perfect AFR @ 1 bar pressure. Spark plug ignites it and it burns for 8 miliseconds.
In order for them to both get to max cylinder pressure they need to be ignited at different times in order to arrive at 12-14 after TDC.
Similarly the same turbo or N/A engine ignition advance is affected by time. So at 2000rpm the engine needs to x degrees of advance, however at 10000rpm it needs a lot more advance to reach the same point as the engine speed is so much faster yet the burn time doesn't speed up in comparison.
There are a few other factors that affect advance too including throttle position and fuel type used.
Chris
Last edited by Nobby; 08/12/2007 05:31.
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Re: Ignition Advance
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08/12/2007 05:57
08/12/2007 05:57
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TurboJ
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First you set the fuelling up typically 0.88 lambda for performance.
Then you advance the ignition until it starts to det for that rpm/load point. (MAP/RPM mapping strategy) Then retard it 2 degrees for engine safety and fuel compensation (street cars). Repeat this process until all the relevant load sites are complete. It must then be corrected for WOT.
You will find the faster the rpm the less advance you can run. This is only due to the fact of engine knock. The highest advance will be at peak torque and if your engine is good you should hit BMEP. The same is for injector pulse width.
Peak pulse width and peak advance should be at BMEP (max torque) so about 3000rpm depending on the engine.
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Re: Ignition Advance
[Re: Saint]
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08/12/2007 14:28
08/12/2007 14:28
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Vas
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Vas
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Paul, check the grale EVO2 advance maps. As Xav. told me (and from my experience) it's got decent advance curves not as harsh as the EVOCARs one  I've scrapped EVOCARs maps couple of months ago and I'm just using them for comparison only V.
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Re: Ignition Advance
[Re: Saint]
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08/12/2007 15:59
08/12/2007 15:59
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Vas
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Vas
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mostly yes, imho evocars maps are fine if you want to push a standard setup. If you go for a larger turbo, hi-lift cams, headwork, 3inch dp, other injectors, etc, there's nothing left from the original map tbh  So I'm sorting out fueling duration map (by feeding a constant "stoich" signal to the ecu and reading the wideband values  ) Then I have to check advance and go a bit back and forth. Haven't sourced a decent detonation system that I can use whilst driving though... I'll email you the evo2 bin later on tonight or tomorrow Paul. V.
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Re: Ignition Advance
[Re: Flea]
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08/12/2007 17:03
08/12/2007 17:03
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When you're talking about the maps you have lying on your pc's... How do you alter the chips you have? I take it you would need some hardware to write the chip, and some software? Do you have some links where i can read up on it?
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Re: Ignition Advance
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08/12/2007 17:33
08/12/2007 17:33
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Blueman
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Blueman
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Can anyone give me a list of all these abbreviations? BTDC and MBT and the rest. I got Wide Open Throttle though 
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Re: Ignition Advance
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08/12/2007 21:02
08/12/2007 21:02
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Nobby
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Nobby
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BTDC - Before top dead centre MBT - Minimum Best Timing BMEP - Brake Mean Effective Pressure
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Re: Ignition Advance
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09/12/2007 01:07
09/12/2007 01:07
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Blueman
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Blueman
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Thanks Nobby 
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