Hello everyone, my posts were on styling but someone mentioned about putting this bit on here, so here is my question.Im not really wanting extra bhp at the mo that can come after, i just want strength, and reliability (if i will get that from these parts)

A run down of what i would like, engine rebuilt with forged parts, all tappets done, conrods, the whole shibang, then what ever other parts i need like drive shafts, seals, everything, and a new cambelt and tensioners and stuff. Then id like the suspension done, FK coilovers around £500, and possibly a full respray, anyone have any idea of that cost??? Or anyone give me any ideas of what they would do with £6k+ on a car that has got good interior, just engine and suspension that needs sorting.

do you want headwork and cams aswell?

my rebuild so far for parts only is around £2500 including forged pistons/rods and headwork, but I got a good deal on all of them! you could easily add an extra £800 on top for normal prices!

Who's doing your rebuild eldinho?

I think 6k will just about get you parts an labour for the rebuild of engine with forged internals + reasonable headwork + new cambelt/gaskets/seals etc.

Then in addition you have to worry about clutch/injectors/fuelling/exhaust to match your new engine and ecu remap to stop it blowing up.

I'd get the suspension sorted first if I were you...

I'm good friends with a mechanic who also builds engines in his spare time for his stock cars!

So I am getting the labour considerably cheaper! but unfortunately it also takes a bit longer than somebody working on it full time!

The reason i want to do the engine is i think its had its day, its on 102k and it sounds like the tappets are definately going, getting louder all the time, im not worried to much about the head work, i just thought about forged parts because they can take alot more than standard (or am i wrong) I just want a nice new running engine, i was tempted to get a brand new one, powerfiat said they can get brand new last of stock engines from italy and fit for £5500, so its either that or rebuilt with forged parts.

Im not wanting this work done to make the car worth anymore, or to sell, its for me and my piece of mind, and for hopefully a more reliable car.

I forgot to add, its either spend this money, or hope that a newer low mileage plus or LE comes along (i know this wont be easy ) when i get this money, maybe even stretching to £7000+ depending on what i get back for mine.

how much is a new engine from fiat?

dont need forged bits if youre not going for higher power.

I don't think you'll get a new engine + fitted for less than Rog quoted...

If you want piece of mind then this sounds like the way to go.

There is a distinct likelyhood of a very good group buy for Accralite forged pistons and Pauter forged rods in the near future

I am a bit busy with work at the moment, so if you can wait till after Easter I would be able to supply you with some superb pistons and rods. The Pistons are higher compression ratio and will help with turbo spool up times. The guide prices are £650 for the pistons and £600 for the rods.

These are the same pistons that myself, TurboJ and a few others have used. Once my rebuild is complete I will have full details of all the parts used allong with pictures of the rebuild and performance figures etc.

My engine is not due to go back into the car for another two weeks, so all the details will take a while to appear here.

Im not looking at upping the bhp at the moment, but if i get the engine rebuilt i want it done with forged parts so that if after that i want to start upping with mods then its going to cope with it fine, (i know the standard engine copes with quite a bit) Theres 3 options im looking at then,Option 1: a brand new engine through powerfiat, £5500 fitted, then whatever bits i have on top. Option 2: Rebuild with forged parts, no head work or cams, that one depends on price. Or Option 3: When i get my money, hope that theres a newer, low mileage plus or LE for sale, or possibly a 20vt, then mod that one.

I dont want to not have a coupe anymore, i have fallen in love with the looks of the car, and the engine sound, but im being put off by the way mine is running at the mo, hopefully getting it sorted next month (fueling, or turbo problem) then i can start deciding on what to do.

sidenote : the 20vt doesn't have tappets. It is hydralic lifters.

If you have a tappety noise, it's either and more likely the exhaust manifold, or the other reason would be your injectors (they are noisy as std)

Squid, I could be interested in that group buy.

A recon engine from Fiat is £2500 odd. A NEW engine from fiat is £5500. Add £600 or so for fitting.

If you don't want extra bhp, why not just get a recon Fiat engine, a nice uprated turbo and live happy in the knowledge that your engine should last for ages!

W

Dan from your comments on the other post I can't see why you're going down the forge road. I understand you want reliability but you don't need forge parts for this, you just need a well maintained engine. If you're sure your engine is on the way out ( get second opinion from Rog) then why don't you speak to Carl and see if he can get you a good used unit. Then with you spare cash get a new turbo, clutch and all the other add-ons fitted as the engine is getting dropped in, this should save you some money replacing all these parts then.

£700 Used engine
£600 Fat new turbo
£500 Organic clutch
£400 Live map
£200 Belts
£450 FMIC
£200 Oil cooler
£200 Boost controller
£100 New rad
£80 BOV
£80 Fuel pump
£70 Air filter

£500 Suspension & Springs
£500 Discs, pad & fluid
£200 Other suspension parts

£1500 fitting all that stuff.

Total = £6380 + I might have forgot some stuff
or
Highwaymans coupé (which has all of the above incl. forge gear) =£5000 + £1200 return for selling yours. Total =£3800

Edit
I've only put ALL those prices as you have said in another post that you do want to mod one day. If you don't want to mod now just think about buying a used unit but also remember that you will need to keep your turbo which might be on its last legs.

Thanks guys, im new to coupes so im still trying to get round the difference to my previous car, i had an astra sri turbo, 52 plate, 15,000 miles, couldnt even hear the engine, then ihave got a car thats 9 years old, 100,000miles, engine is starting to sound like a marracca, turbo is smoking quite a bit on idle, but when i bought it these problems wernt noticable, a mechanic checked it over and couldnt see any problems but not long after i bought it all hell breaks loose, but i dont want to be put off owning a coupe because i love the car and can see what i want my car to be like, or a newer lower mileage one to be like.

This is why i want my engine done, and other bits, and i understand your idea 007 coz im contemplating that one too, if i could get a good low mileage one from carlt that would be perfect.

I have spoken to Roger at powerfiat about a problem i have with my car, i posted on here when the problem arrose and i didnt get an answer that helped, even fiat gave me false info, so spent money that i didnt need to, roger diagnosed it as anything from a solenoid, to coil packs, spark plugs, turbo, a long list, so im going up there in march to get it checked and get wishbones done. Bloody car

You cannot rely on a fiat recon engine lasting as long as the original. Often they have undersized cranks and Barbz took one apart that did not even have the rod bolts properly torqued up. I saw one where they had decked the block at an angle which means that eventually the head gasket will go.

Or you could wait till the end of the month when my one gets mapped.

If we're talking about fitting forged pistons and rods don't forget the cost of the top end gaskets and head studs (DO NOT REUSE OLD HEADSTUDS!!!). Obviously the £10 on bottom end sealant too
You will want to change your belts and water pump and tensioners at the same time so add that price to it too

For a full rebuild also don't forget the cost of the rear crank seal and oil pump seal. For a full rebuild you may or may not wish to replace your oil pump to (is a pig to do with engine in situ)

the headstuds and crank seals (front and rear) and oil pump gasket cost around £120 all together. its little bits like them that add up!

I recon about £2500 plus Labour just for the engine.

top end gasket set plus the timing belt and tensioners plus water pump is adds another £200 or thereabouts.

sorry, it's more than that - with the aux belt and tensioners and VAT it is closer to £300

When you talk to Carl don't say that or he might just hang up on you. It's not the mileage you should be looking at but the standard of the engine, I dare say Carl will sort that out. You've been on here long enough to know that now.

Sorry but 10000 miles on a coupe is not a lot , a well looked after engine with oil changes and belts should see 20000 plus miles , engines arnt what they where in the old days , i would never think a lower miled coupe is better for 9 years a car has done 34000 miles sitting on someones drive or garge not being drivin serviced as much ,

If the 100k had been done by me then i wouldnt mind, but with all the previous owners i can only be certain from paperwork that its had bits done, doesnt mean its been well looked after, you could give it all the oil changes under the sun, but if your thrashing the car constantly that wont show on paperwork. That why i want my engine doing

A used car engine is like a good woman. It doesn't matter how many people have jumped inside and driven it within an inch of breaking point as long as it still feels tight, not to loud and can put a smile on your face it's got nothing wrong with it.

New engines are hard work. You have to break them in slowly, spoil them with plenty of oil changes and keep them clean. No, give me a dirty used woman, opps, I meant engine every day.

more like a used engine is like a dirty pro. Don't know where it has been and even if you know it can do the business now you don't know how long it will be before stuff starts dropping off

or something like that

Excellent

That makes things even easier he he he, i prefer the sound of the dirty pro to the used dirty women, errmmm i mean used dirty engine. I may be lucky and it may just be because my turbo is on its way out that im thinking all of this, i changed the oil earlier and the engine sounds a bit sweeter, still getting it checked in 1st week of march at powerfiat, i will check with roger and he can tell me if the engine is worth sorting or get a new(er) one.