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Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584149
08/04/2008 20:49
08/04/2008 20:49

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Originally Posted by MattW
Is the signal transmitted down a specific ECU pin? if so I dont see why any auto electrician wouldnt be able to hook an LED up to it.

I know I know, probably way more complicated than that... rolleyes


Get a knock link if you want to do that, the knock sensors are not in the best place for performance, only in the best place for economy. Anyway the signal requires complex filtering.

Anyway the ECU will try to back off if it sees major trouble, only problem is if it is still pinking at full retard then it will retard the boost but in most peoples infinite wisdom they have disconnected the ECUs boost control.



Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584239
08/04/2008 23:04
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Has anyone here lost an engine due to the engine having been previously run low on oil? I have a past history of owning Alfa's and on some of those its quite common. The coupe also seems to use oil at a similar rate, and if someone were to not check it regularly enough some problems might occur.
Or is the Coupe more robust to this treatment than the average Alfa engine?

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584243
08/04/2008 23:06
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I lost my previous engine through this.. supposedly rolleyes

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Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584246
08/04/2008 23:09
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running low on oil is slang for not checking the oil enough laugh

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584255
08/04/2008 23:19
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I check mine at least every week although my coupoe doesn't seem to use much since I fixed the leaking rocker cover gasket.

If the worst does happen though there is a cure available..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALFA-LANCIA-E...370QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I am sure it works wonderfully.. Not. laugh

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584336
09/04/2008 00:57
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about as useful as scraping the fat off a donar kebab and slapping that in your engine.

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584368
09/04/2008 01:19
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Originally Posted by Squid
If anyone could do that, it would be Neil (Barnacle).

He's done it already smile
Current widget will report knock (at least it does on mine due to some earthing probs... rolleyes )

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584414
09/04/2008 02:03
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like I said on the 20VT the knock sensors are in the right place for engine efficiency and the wrong place for tuning. So the barnacle widget will tell you something but it won't help you to avert an engine failure

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584465
09/04/2008 03:02
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Thanks John, I think I'll get myself a knock link along with an electronic boost controller smile

Still got a bit more to learn about how all the different variables such as boost, ignition advance, fuelling, and temperatures all effect each other but getting there laugh

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584520
09/04/2008 04:14
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Was the knock link useless unless it was properly setup on the rollers?

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Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #584577
09/04/2008 11:23
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It is by far best if set up on the rollers but you need someone to actually make your car pink as well so it isn't just a case of going to your average rolling road and asking them to set it up.
Reason it is best set up that way is that there is a lot of background noise and it is making sure it is not just showing you that.

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #585448
10/04/2008 05:40
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Is it possible to get something to read the ebv signal from the existing ECU with aftermarket boost controlers, to allow them to back off when the ECU thinks there is a problem?

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: paddy] #585485
10/04/2008 12:17
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the actuall ebv signal from the ECU is a PALSE.
It's not (what I initially thought) a signal that comes when the ecu wants the wastegate to open and vent.
It works with short pulses and their frequency changes (as in increases) when ecu wants to lower boost.

Now, even when you're driving normally with a bit of accel this thing pulses, so it's impossible to decipher (sp?) the moment that ECU thinks there's something wrong. So, forget that.

HOWEVER, I guess one of these companies could come up with an improved version of their kit that comes bundled with knock sensors and on tuning them (fck knows how though...) it would be able to lower boost when it senses know.
How about that?

Personally I'll stick to the adelco ebv wink

V.


Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #585514
10/04/2008 13:07
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Originally Posted by Vas
HOWEVER, I guess one of these companies could come up with an improved version of their kit that comes bundled with knock sensors and on tuning them (fck knows how though...) it would be able to lower boost when it senses know.
How about that?


I wouldnt want anything messing about with my boost, I'd rather stick an LED on the dash somewhere, if it comes on I'll know theres a problem and deal with it myself smile

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #585753
10/04/2008 17:18
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by the time you notice the LED then damage may have occured anyway. frown

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #585882
10/04/2008 20:05
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+1,
you'll need a big bugger 1W high power LED and beeper on top if you want to be sure... laugh

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Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #585886
10/04/2008 20:10
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Nothing escapes my eye wink (although I suppose if it did I wouldnt know about it rolleyes )

I'd notice it as soon as it came on if it was located in a conspicuous place, I always see the fuel light as soon as it flashes on for the first time... crazy

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #586452
11/04/2008 06:01
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Originally Posted by Vas
the actuall ebv signal from the ECU is a PALSE.


Sure it pulses it during normal boost control, but when it thinks there is a problem, I would think it would just hold the vave open to try and knock the bost back as much as possile confused

To me though I think keeping an upgraded EBV with good mapping is a safer solution - was just thinking of the people that prefer boost controlers

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #586867
11/04/2008 18:14
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Yea, I agree there
Originally Posted by Vas

Personally I'll stick to the adelco ebv wink

V.

The Adelco, is that the "GM" Ebv?

Re: Engine Failure - Reasons/Causes [Re: ] #587126
11/04/2008 22:08
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Originally Posted by Per
Yea, I agree there
Originally Posted by Vas

Personally I'll stick to the adelco ebv wink

V.

The Adelco, is that the "GM" Ebv?


yep, that's the one!

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