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I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't fit?
#616352
21/05/2008 20:53
21/05/2008 20:53
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DanielTheManual
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So a couple of months ago I decide I'd like to get my Coupe restyled slightly with better alloys and LE skirts. I loved the look of the Dare V2s so started to investigate if they'd fit the Coupe. I find out that the Dare V2, Excite and Wolfrace Triad all look identical and in fact the Excite are rebadged Triads. So, I find out that the Coupe has a pcd of 4x98, an offset of ET38 and a bore-size of 58.1mm. The Excite alloys have a pcd of 4x100 but I find out through the forum that they'll fit using wobbly bolts. It then takes me a while to find out their bore-size but eventually it's revealed to be 72.6mm. They are ET40 so no problems there on fitting. So my search for the actual alloys begin. After a month or 2 of being outbid on numerous sets on ebay, some Excite 17" wheels are mine (below). Click for photo of wheels. They have 2 sets of holes, a 4x100 and 4x108 set. I figure this will make them easier to sell on afterwards as they fit more cars. I go and collect them, managing to fit all 4 easily into the Coupe after removing the front passenger seat. They look lovely I now set about getting the spigot rings and wobbly bolts, and after a big fccuk-up with a retarded ebay seller, I eventually get the correct sized rings in his 4th jiffy bag to me (I actually complained to paypal and got my money back and kept the rings!). So there I am last Sunday. I borrowed a trolly-jack and torque wrench (and set it to 98NM of course), the sun was out, and I get down to jacking up the rear to start with. I made sure I used the correct jacking points so as not to crease the floor! The old wheel comes off no problem. I grab the new one and find it doesn't go straight on. Hmmm. So I try rotating it to see if it'll only go on lined up a particular way. No such luck! It appears that the 2 spikes which stick out of the hub prevent fitment of these alloys with 8 holes as there is no recess for them to fit in, and the 4x108pcd holes are too wide for them to slot through I thought I'd be more annoyed than I am, especially after the hours of research that I did before buying what I thought were the correct sized wheels. So, they'll be on ebay soon for anyone looking for some tasty alloys for their non-Coupe car!
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't fit?
[Re: paddy]
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21/05/2008 22:10
21/05/2008 22:10
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Danirv
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I think (thats only think, not "know") that there only there as a guide, on my passenger side i have one bolt holding the disc, not a spike, and on the drivers side i have 1 spike, so im not sure if they can just be changed to a bolt like mine, or if you can take them out altogether. Im sure someone will come on soon and give you some mre information.
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: paddy]
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21/05/2008 22:10
21/05/2008 22:10
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suba
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as far as I am aware the spike have two functions:
to attach the disc to the hub
to help locate the wheel easily when putting it back on.
My current brake setup does not use them - the caliper holds a floating disk in place, and the wheelbolts keep everything together. I use the red spike in the fiat toolkit to locate the wheel, so I can't see why you could not run without them as long as you make sure that you have the right wheelbolts.
Why not give a specialist a call and ask them?
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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21/05/2008 22:16
21/05/2008 22:16
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Danirv
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Or dont go and buy multifitment wheels, but unfortunately you already done that he he he only joking
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Guzbod]
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22/05/2008 00:16
22/05/2008 00:16
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coupedave
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coupedave
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just take them out, most people have broken off anyway!! another forum member, paul(lots of numbers)!!, had this recently too
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Guzbod]
#616509
22/05/2008 00:20
22/05/2008 00:20
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Jimbo
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Remove the two spike from each wheel Daniel, you don't need them. As Suba said above, they are just there to locate the wheel when fitting it and to hold the brake disc in place when the wheel is off. If you really wanted to, you could counter sink the holes in the brake disc and fit some countersunk screws to hold the disc in place. There is absolutely no need though, I've survived a year without them fitted and it causes no problems at all Get out there, get em removed and get those wheels fitted Show us some pictures when they're on.
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Jimbo]
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22/05/2008 00:47
22/05/2008 00:47
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Tartandude
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Im missing the front spikes on mine and have no problems. And incidentally, I have Cesam Daytona's which look pretty much the same as your ones They were PCD 100 so have wobbly bolts and spiggot rings. I hope you can get them fitted as they look on the car Clicky
Ex 20VT - now something far more sensible'ish...
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Tartandude]
#617010
22/05/2008 19:09
22/05/2008 19:09
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DanielTheManual
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Guys this is excellent information!!! So all is not lost! Right then, it seems removing the spikes doesn't make anything unsafe. How hard would it be to grind the spikes down to 5mm as per Nigel's suggestion? I don't have many tools so need to know exactly what I'll need so I can get them borrowed and ready
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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22/05/2008 19:24
22/05/2008 19:24
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Begbie
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Junior hacksaw / normal hacksaw / angle grinder
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Begbie]
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22/05/2008 20:36
22/05/2008 20:36
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Danirv
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Either do that or what Jimbo mentioned and counter sink them, i have 1 bolt on my passengers side so someone must of lost one spike and replaced it with a bolt, thats only 5mm, ish, the head of it sticking out.
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Jimbo]
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23/05/2008 01:18
23/05/2008 01:18
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Fariniac
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Fariniac
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Yeah, both the ones on both sides of my fronts broke off when I changed the discs. Wheel bolts hold everything in place, so no need to worry. Like Nigel said though, re-fitting the wheels is a pain.....
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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23/05/2008 22:35
23/05/2008 22:35
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Akeme
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Akeme
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Junk the spikes, they are purely to help locate the disc when fitting new ones, they are not integral to the function of the brakes/hub.
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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23/05/2008 22:51
23/05/2008 22:51
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rikki16vt
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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24/05/2008 02:18
24/05/2008 02:18
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sparkyman
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sparkyman
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Some Azevs alloys are a straight swap for the originals and also need these spikes taken out
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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28/05/2008 21:51
28/05/2008 21:51
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JohnS
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If you find your wheels are a pain to fit without those then you can get someone to cut up some 12mm dia metal rod about 15cm long and thread it with an M12x1.25mm thread and put a cut on the other end to screw in. I have some of these and it makes even my big fat 18s an easy fit.
Former low boost hero - 616BHP@1.5 bar. 2.4 20VT RIP
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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30/05/2008 02:27
30/05/2008 02:27
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owl10
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my azevs accommodate the spikes, of which i have two still complete on each disc
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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03/06/2008 15:29
03/06/2008 15:29
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DanielTheManual
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DanielTheManual
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Guys thanks for all the help, the wheels are now on!! I found that I was able to unscrew the spikes in the end which made things easier Was glad to get rid of the 15" VIS alloys which look too small for a Coupe. Pics below: New wheels 1 New wheels 2 New wheels 3
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
[Re: Jimbo]
#625534
05/06/2008 15:52
05/06/2008 15:52
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DanielTheManual
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DanielTheManual
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I knew I'd be told to lower it I'm in 2 minds about it though because of a) cost b) I live near speed-bumps c) Privilege already want £113 to add the wheels to my insurance policy
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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22/06/2008 11:22
22/06/2008 11:22
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Craggenmore
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Ive just raised my 20vt Plus after finally cracking as a result of the bone shuddering ride of Eibach 35mm droppers over London speed bumps - my life is now wonderful. I should have done this years ago - Oh the stupidity of youth!
Last edited by Craggenmore; 22/06/2008 11:24.
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Re: I can't be the first to buy wheels that don't
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22/06/2008 13:59
22/06/2008 13:59
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suba
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suba
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If you lower a car by only using springs then the ride will always be terrible.
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