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Nah Baz, the top one's still illegal; it doesn't have the address or postcode of the maker.

Are you aware that at the end of the month it will become illegal for 'show plates' even to be sold?

Neil

I thought that the poscode rule was just in England for the moment ? I know that it`s going to be in Scotland soon though.

Ach they`ll need to be a proper jobsworth to drag me over for these new ones .

Baz

I'm on my way.............

You mightened like the stats Mrs l but dont shoot the messenger. BBC published independent stats. Not my fault it shows a very low recovery rate.

And as I've said before I have nothing against the police. I have uncles, cousins, and friends in the police. My father was also a volunteer civilian firearms instructor for the police. Trained the RUC pistol shooting team and captained it. He's been shot at whilst leaving the police firing range, has had to face down local paramilatries who were after his hand guns and at times been instructed by the police to keep one of his guns loaded and at hand. So before you go talking about 'people like me' you'd be better finding out just what people like me are really like.

No policeman has ever had to bite his tongue whilst dealing with me. Maybe asked me to give their regards to my father, or cousins or uncles or neighbour. But I can say this with quite some certainty. I have had to bite my tongue with more than one police officer and have seen many who think simply because they are police officers they are above and beyond the scrutiny of general public. I'd be pretty confident in suggesting that my family has much closer links with the police and sacraficed more than you or ur beloved.

So if you have some national stats that show recovery rates to be well above 10% I'll be happy to consider the source and accept them on face value

I'm not clear to what extent the "Sep 2001" rules apply here? Presumably the plates had to have actually been fitted before that date to be considered exempt? In which case, mostly on a pre-2001 car you can argue the toss, (yes, officer, they've been on there sinc the car was new...) but since Baz is, I assume, going to have to have his car checked against his VDRS form, he just wasted £30?

Spot on. I agree.

Doesn't need it Neil as long as Baz sticks to his story that they were fitted before Sep 2001.

As Cappo says, if there is some sort of non-conformity notice that is on record then I guess that's a different matter as clearly you would need new plates which must meet current regs.

None of our 4 vehicles have BSAU or postcodes on the plates but they'll all pre 2001 so no issues.

The facts speak for themselves. Either post up some independent stats that help your arguement or give my head peace. But dont make yourself look foolish by standing there telling me those stats mean nothing and aren't true when they so obviously are. And dont try to tell me thats just one county. As there is no way its a case that in Notts its 10% whilst the rest of england recovers over 50%. As that just doesn't seem likely. (Though its obvious you cant actually follow a debate or line of arguement as I've stated over and over its not the police doing their job I have the problem with.So resorting to personal attacks by refering to those who you disagree with as "people like you" serves no purpose and only adds to that feeling that many cops suffer from the god complex. Small men with big badges.

Still I can do that too and as theres no huge educational requirement to join the police I guess I shouldn't judge 'people like you' to harshly for your lack of understanding and inability to see the bigger picture. Police by the very nature of the job tends to attract those who dont have the capacity to think outside the box or beyond what the law states. That i guess is why police states are so easily created. People like you cant see the wood for the trees and whilst dragging man woman and child of to prison you'll quote your mantra @the laws the Law' See its dead easy to talk about people like you, but it gets the debate nowhere

And I've never said some laws are more important than others, I've said that this law on reg plates is a complete waste of time IMO which serves no purpose other than to needlessly restrict civil liberties and as Steamer so helpfully pointed out, helps to justify special units...I imagine the convo goes something like this

No chief constable we still cant find 90% of the stolen cars but hey we booked a heap of other criminals. Six of them had the 'I' dotted on their numberplate. I ask you who would control such reckless behaviour if we weren't there serving society and ensuring people like them are kept in line.

Oh and what is most laughable is that you take your personal experience (which I have my doubts about) and generalise it to include the whole of the country, and then you start on about people generalising...Honestly people like you!

Amen





Nail head... going on my wall for the description of common behaviour of the Police and Nazi Groups (Bailiffs, Private Vehicle Attendants etc)

It wasn`t a VDRS ticket I got as there was no mention of getting the car checked again. I just had to pay the fine and that will be the end of it,so i`m posting my payment away to avoid any hassle .

Baz

And that's a good point to call it a day.