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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: MattM] #774151
16/02/2009 10:56
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Well if you don't manage to get it changed it may still be worth going to the dyno as they run the coupes in 3rd gear. The chances are it won't slip as the rollers don't load the transmission/engine as much as the road, unless it's slipping really bad that is.

Re the CG competition clutch, I think Ash said it was rated to 340lbs/ft.


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Flea] #774190
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Originally Posted By: Flea
Well if you don't manage to get it changed it may still be worth going to the dyno as they run the coupes in 3rd gear. The chances are it won't slip as the rollers don't load the transmission/engine as much as the road, unless it's slipping really bad that is.


My graph from last time said they ran it in 4th gear, just for info. Could have been a typo tho tongue


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Lucifer] #774294
16/02/2009 13:34
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They've always ran mine in 3rd. Anyway, that is not an issue as i am taking my car to C G clutches this afternoon for a replacement clutch. Have gone for the "competition clutch" rated @ 325 torques for £590+vat supplied and fitted.

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: MattM] #774555
16/02/2009 20:31
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not a bad, price i will have to buy one soon.. clutch is slipping in 1st and 2nd when i put the foot down.. (only got it replaced last year!) dunno if it has anythng with little boost spike i have got or my greddy is set up wrong.

anyway, did you know that the sxoc is calling the coop an Italian Scrabble? curse laugh

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #774565
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Dropped the coop off this afternoon at C G Motorsport. Hoping to have it back tomorrow, so with a bit of luck i should still be at Dyno Demon on Saturday to put my Italian Scrabble Wagon on the rollers!

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: MattM] #774579
16/02/2009 20:52
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laugh fingers crossed..

link to sxoc- http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=388670

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #774748
16/02/2009 23:58
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sorry guys gonna have to bail from this....coupe is gone!!

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #774755
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Guys n Girls,

We've got a (small) convoy going from the tickled trout on the m6, setting off at 0815 if any of you want to join a few 200's for the drive down from that neck of the woods smile

Cheers

Steve wink

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #775218
17/02/2009 16:35
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Originally Posted By: coupedave
sorry guys gonna have to bail from this....coupe is gone!!


Gone!? ooo Gone where!!? shocked Looks like I'm the only representative from North (West) Wales then. cry

Dave - PM me buddy with a full & frank explanation for this behaviour!! tongue

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #775277
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Originally Posted By: mona
Originally Posted By: coupedave
sorry guys gonna have to bail from this....coupe is gone!!


Gone!? ooo Gone where!!? shocked Looks like I'm the only representative from North (West) Wales then. cry

Dave - PM me buddy with a full & frank explanation for this behaviour!! tongue


The punishment for such a crime is surely to connect a treadmill to the dyno and have him run his way through it?! laugh


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Lucifer] #775754
18/02/2009 01:11
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I'm going to pop along, but just to say hi smile

I haven't done anything to my car since the last RR session, so it's not worth putting it on the rollers.

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Theresa] #775839
18/02/2009 09:12
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According to the SXOC site they have 6 X 200's running on the day and a couple of "others" to be tacked on at the end of the day.

Should still be a good day and some of our members can probably get on the rollers a bit earlier. smile

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #775971
18/02/2009 11:56
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Originally Posted By: MABR
According to the SXOC site they have 6 X 200's running on the day and a couple of "others" to be tacked on at the end of the day.

Should still be a good day and some of our members can probably get on the rollers a bit earlier. smile


My slot is officially 11am but I'm aiming to be there 10am at the latest, so I don't mind swapping about a bit if it makes the day run more smoothly smile


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Lucifer] #776504
18/02/2009 21:36
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I will aim to get there a bit earlier, as based on previous meetings the guys at DD push people through quite swiftly. cool

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #776621
19/02/2009 00:03
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Updated Listing

9.00 - MABR
9.20 - SXOC
9.40 - bilbo
10.00 - SXOC
10.20 - Sprintsteve 20vt
10.40 - SXOC
11.00 - Lucifer, Coupe 20vt Plus
11.20 - SXOC
11.40 - MattM
12.00 - SXOC
12.20 - Jef_UK, Coupe 20vt
12.40 - SXOC
1.00 - Johna, Coupe 20vt
1.20 - SXOC
1.40 - mona, Coupe 20vt
2.00 - SXOC
2.20 -
2.40 - SXOC
3.00 -

smile

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #777274
19/02/2009 20:31
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Originally Posted By: MABR
Updated Listing

9.00 - MABR
9.20 - SXOC
9.40 - bilbo
10.00 - SXOC
10.20 - Sprintsteve 20vt
10.40 - SXOC
11.00 - Lucifer, Coupe 20vt Plus
11.20 - SXOC
11.40 - MattM
12.00 - SXOC
12.20 - Jef_UK, Coupe 20vt
12.40 - SXOC
1.00 - Johna, Coupe 20vt
1.20 - SXOC
1.40 - mona, Coupe 20vt
2.00 - SXOC
2.20 -
2.40 - SXOC
3.00 -

smile


Has Nigel pulled out?

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #777289
19/02/2009 20:45
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definitely not - I'm just going to slot in when there's a gap (and when we need to show the 200SX boys what our scrabble-wagons can really do wink )


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Nigel] #777342
19/02/2009 21:56
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Good stuff!

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #777482
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Hoping to be there to watch shame my coop aint finished frown would of been nice to see the numbers again hahaha and the cool weather may of helped it get a little higher. O well good look to the coops!!

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #778029
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see you all there tomoz boys and girls!

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #778040
20/02/2009 20:42
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I've got my car back from the clutch shop, it should be bedded in by the time i get there. See you all tomorrow

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: MattM] #778063
20/02/2009 21:24
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Check your oil ETC! (as per guide.)

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #778083
20/02/2009 21:55
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Originally Posted By: Jef_uk
Check your oil ETC! (as per guide.)


Just done that tonight - including the transaxle (got a few leaks going on down below!). Coupe is cleaned & ready to go - but I have a noise on start up which is concerning me. Bit of a "chiruping" noise - which goes away after a bit. Have had the odd misfire too - but she's going fine & everything looks OK. Anyone got any ideas or willing to have a quick peek under the bonnet tomorrow?? Could be dirty plugs or maybe a loose pipe somewhere (I hope that it's somethign that simple & not anything major!)?

See you all tomorrow. smile

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #778139
20/02/2009 23:39
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My one has chirped on cold and damp morning since I did the aux belt, stops within about 1 second so I expect it will go away, similar sound to what I had immediately after Rog did my belts in the summer and that quietened down gritty fast.

Misfire: could be time for new plugs but cold plugs will fowl easier in the cold weather.

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #778232
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If anyone has a standard chip they dont want or I could just borrow could they bring it along please.Iceberg thinks mine might be fccuked.Ive disconnected the battery overnight and seems better but I'll know when it goes on the rollers.Cheers Bill


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: bilbo] #778411
21/02/2009 17:04
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Great Day out, unfortunately we got our asses whooped by the datsuns but never mind.

Thanks to Craig and Ste for organising.

My results;

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Car runs and feels lovely, i was hoping to get over 300bhp though!

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: MattM] #778415
21/02/2009 17:13
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Well - I reckon this will start yet another dyno discussion

Despite having posted very close to 400bhp at Powerstation at the end of January, I'm now down to 326bhp (276 @ wheels).

I'm really not at all sure about Dyno demon's methods - both mine and Lucifer's cars suffered clutch slip on the rollers 9they ran it in 3rd gear). My Helix organic is perhaps 20,000 miles old and never slips on the road (I used 1.8 bar on the way up there). Lucifer's Helix Organic was fitted by Motormech three weeks ago. Go figure.

I asked them to run mine in 4th, but it then span the wheels slightly, which will have contributed to the lack of power.

However, other cars made the expected power - MABR was spot on and a couple of other near-standard Coupes gave 220 - 230 bhp

So - are they loading the rollers more or is it simply a case of different rollers, different day, different results?

EDIT - Having said all that, I've just checked my Powerstation graph, and I ran 287 @ wheels, so maybe there isn't that much difference after all.


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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Nigel] #778440
21/02/2009 17:45
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For FWD, I always allow 15%-20% losses, so your 326bhp Nigel, looks spot on.
I always thought RR's tend to give higher figures, then true road power.Again, its down to the accuracy of the RR, and the percentage losses through transmission, tyres etc, that the operator decides is warranted.
But I am seeing time and again on this site, that our humble Coupe has good and bad days. Figures seem to go up and down like a yoyo, even on the same rollers!! Very strange! crazy

Andy. smile

Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: ] #778507
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276@wheels 326@fly is still not right IMHO

my plots

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it also bugs me about the rev scale - I was told that they ran my car to 7,000rpm, but the plots stop at around 6000rpm - I know its just a calibration anomaly, but it means that I can't use my graph to work out accurately where the turbo is spooling, where the fuelling is richening up etc



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Re: Next North West Rolling Road Day - 21/02/09 [Re: Nigel] #778516
21/02/2009 19:24
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Thanks guys, it was nice to meet you all, hope you enjoyed your ass whoopin by the old Datsun gang laugh

Our results thread including a table with all results can be found at:

http://sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=394711

Re the results, I really cant comment for your cars, but for 200's, Dynodemon have always been pretty much spot on when compared to other Dynodynamics RR's for the 3 shootouts we've had there... obviously all compared in Shootout mode smile

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