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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: crgracing]
#711022
20/11/2008 08:09
20/11/2008 08:09
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Nooooooooooo! Wings on road cars do nothing for downforce, maybe a tiny bit for fuel consumption (they reduce the vacuum to the rear of the car by upsetting the airflow) However, they totally destroy the looks of the Coupe. If you fit one, you WILL be ridiculed - you have been warned
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Jumeirah]
#711044
20/11/2008 09:35
20/11/2008 09:35
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Spee
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Wings are for aircraft, end of!
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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#711122
20/11/2008 11:34
20/11/2008 11:34
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peanuthead
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hum i think it depends on the car! rwd car do lay down the power with them better on the coop it will look stupid and have little efect at all
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: crgracing]
#711153
20/11/2008 12:28
20/11/2008 12:28
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Trappy
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I remember clarkson talking about the difference the front splitter made to their 330d 24hr car on that Avantime article the other day. I wonder if there might be some significant gains by using one of these in conjunction with a decent diffuser?
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Trappy]
#711157
20/11/2008 12:37
20/11/2008 12:37
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Gunzi
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Was it Freddan who had a rear diffuser, made by a chap at Volvo? EDIT - Nope it was Per
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Gunzi]
#711204
20/11/2008 13:48
20/11/2008 13:48
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Akeme
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Proper aero kits for production cars cost alot of money and time to perfect, although if you drive a car with additional downforce the difference is staggering.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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#711236
20/11/2008 14:42
20/11/2008 14:42
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Trappy
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Proper aero kits for production cars cost alot of money and time to perfect, although if you drive a car with additional downforce the difference is staggering. What have you driven then Ruben?
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Trappy]
#711245
20/11/2008 15:12
20/11/2008 15:12
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jumeirah, u'd be surprised how much aero work there is on the coupe. for one thing, all the heat exchangers - rad, oil cooler, intercooler - are ducted. and this includes front splitters incorporated into the ducting design. this allows the coop to run smaller frontal openings to reduce drag and at the same time improve performance of the heat exchangers. even the latest japanese performance cars dont come with ducted heat exchangers and you pay a lot of money to fit aftermarket ducting that doesnt even work half as well as our stock design.
so pls guys, the coop doesnt need any more holes in the front, thank you very much. and if ur thinking of changing the front bumper/bodykit, make sure it doesnt obstruct the ducting. some guys have overheating problems with aftermarket front bumpers.
secondly, the coop has a front engine undertray that cleans up airflow under the front of the car. this is also matched to a working rear diffuser. yes, the 15 yr old coop has rear diffuser, something that is absent on all but the very latest japanese performance models. ever follow behind a coop and wonder why a FWD would kick up so much dust/dirt? that's the rear diffuser doing its work.
not to mention the coupe's superior shape which doesn't really need vortex generators, rear wings, etc. so don't sell the coop short aerodynamically even tho it's a 15 yr old design.
let's look at the other things the coop did 15 yrs ago which are still mainstream today - 2L high pressure turbo lump, starter button, brembo brakes, recaro seats, 6-speed gearbox, etc. there's a lot going for the coop even today. its no slouch.
redd
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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#711321
20/11/2008 16:58
20/11/2008 16:58
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Posts: 453 Dubai, U.A.E
Jumeirah
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Redd you have totaly diverted this thread to something else. Your emphasising on 15 years and comparing small things like start button (outdated…today mainstream is engine on/off keylesss system), Brembo brakes (its a brand not technology), recaro seats (It’s a brand again, you probably meant Recaro look), 6 speed gear box (been there for 30 years) Talking what is mainstream in todays regular sports cars well we would have to start a diff thread for that…pract everything is diffrent,Advanced clutch systems, transmission, suspension, powerfull yet eco friendly engines, Ball Bearing & Twin Turbos, high end ICE, lighting, electronics etc.. I own my 20vt for 8 years now. Love every thing about it. Nobody has said it is slouch. We were just inputing about the handling aspect. End of the day whether you like it or not it is no modern machine but a Modern Classic period. cheers, Rui
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Jumeirah]
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20/11/2008 17:08
20/11/2008 17:08
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Redd
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sorry i thought we were talking about aerodynamics? my apologies if i digressed on the cosmetic aspects of the car...
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Jumeirah]
#711355
20/11/2008 17:49
20/11/2008 17:49
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Per
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Sorry to go on bout diffusors/downforce, but here's my diffusor. There are JPEG's for anyone to download for free.. Would really like to see somebody else making one too. http://sfk.ibk.se/depa/index.php?sub=viewcar&car_no=321The Coupe was way ahead of it's time aerodynamically (with Bangle what would you expect??) and this would enhance the rear downforce (where most cars have lift, not sure about the Coupe) at high speed a little extra. See it like this; you could throw away that sack of potatoes from the trunk! Together with the LE/Plus-kit (which gives more downforce at the front with the splitters, and keeps the flow under the car better with the skirts) this is particularly ok.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Per]
#711461
20/11/2008 21:31
20/11/2008 21:31
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Per]
#711478
20/11/2008 22:20
20/11/2008 22:20
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symonh2000
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Sorry to go on bout diffusors/downforce, but here's my diffusor. There are JPEG's for anyone to download for free.. Would really like to see somebody else making one too. http://sfk.ibk.se/depa/index.php?sub=viewcar&car_no=321The Coupe was way ahead of it's time aerodynamically (with Bangle what would you expect??) and this would enhance the rear downforce (where most cars have lift, not sure about the Coupe) at high speed a little extra. See it like this; you could throw away that sack of potatoes from the trunk! Together with the LE/Plus-kit (which gives more downforce at the front with the splitters, and keeps the flow under the car better with the skirts) this is particularly ok. I heard a rumour that Andreas Zaptinas redesigned the rear of the Coupe, as the original Bangle design produced too much lift. The splitter does look good BTW.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Per]
#711657
21/11/2008 10:34
21/11/2008 10:34
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Together with the LE/Plus-kit (which gives more downforce at the front with the splitters, and keeps the flow under the car better with the skirts) this is particularly ok.
Do you have any evidence to back this up? If the front splitters were actually designed with aerodynamic testing, then I could be persuaded to invest in a pair. As for side skirts, I'd be very surprised if they were designed with air flow in mind, especially some of the aftermarket jobs... I do like some of your ideas though Per, I will definitely do get my sills painted the way you have at some point
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Jumeirah]
#712045
21/11/2008 18:47
21/11/2008 18:47
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GraemeC
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All this talk of diffusors - I've no idea if the coupe would benefit from one or not!
However, you can see vorticies behind the coupe when driving...
Next time you find yourself on a wet, empty motorway, take a close look through the rear view mirror - you can see twin vorticies coming from out the back of the car in the spray
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: crgracing]
#712321
22/11/2008 08:21
22/11/2008 08:21
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F927UBS
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I for one would be up for a set, anyone else?. I'm sure we maybe able to convince per to make a few sets???. Obviously I'd be happy to pay for them.
Cheers Tim
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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#713446
24/11/2008 10:46
24/11/2008 10:46
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Trappy
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I for one would be up for a set, anyone else?. I'm sure we maybe able to convince per to make a few sets???. Obviously I'd be happy to pay for them.
Cheers Tim I wouldn't be so sure... People have been trying for years but he won't have it
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Per]
#713787
24/11/2008 18:52
24/11/2008 18:52
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F927UBS
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Right then all, As long as it's ok with per. I'm going to make some of these up. Anybody interested?
Cheers Tim
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