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coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FWD
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well after months weighting for my new set of team dynamics rims , falken tyres , set of shocks and front bearings ive finally fitted everything and i cant belive the grip the car had, i now once i mentioned that the coop didnt have much grip but all the bits i had where broken so now i understand why all you guys tolled me that the coop was excelent. now im weighting for the lowered springs and hope that will giveme better steering wich will probly do, and rear bearings.
i now its a fiat but.....i love it.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FWD
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I really need to get mine to handle now although it's on Apex springs and uprated shocks already? Why does mine not handle well
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FWD
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04/11/2008 09:29
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Have you replaced all the suspension components ? (wishbones, top mounts drop links etc) Do this and it will feel like a new car!
My car has all new suspension components, front upper and lower braces, Whiteline rear ARB, Bilsteins and Eibach springs and the handling is excellent! It could probably be made better with coilovers, but I have to use my car everyday and dont fancy a really hard ride (its already quite a bit harder than standard)
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FWD
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04/11/2008 12:21
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Have you replaced all the suspension components ? (wishbones, top mounts drop links etc) Do this and it will feel like a new car! How much are we looking at? I have a 20v NA, it has NOT been lowered, it currently has Turbo+ wheels on it and the ride comfort is really really bad, even with the standard na wheels its no better. What should i be looking at checking? it seems a bit too tough a ride. . . Mario
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FWD
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04/11/2008 12:36
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Mario, have a look here for bits to replace. Alternative Autos (amongst others) can supply parts, pattern & OE Fiat.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FWD
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09/11/2008 22:22
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My 16VT definitely handled better than my 20VT. However the 16VT was on 18" wheels. The kindest thing I can say about my standard 20VT is that it is average. There are plenty more cars out there that handle better.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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09/11/2008 23:40
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My 16VT definitely handled better than my 20VT. However the 16VT was on 18" wheels. The kindest thing I can say about my standard 20VT is that it is average. There are plenty more cars out there that handle better. Now you've opened a can of worms!!!
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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09/11/2008 23:54
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My 16VT definitely handled better than my 20VT. However the 16VT was on 18" wheels. The kindest thing I can say about my standard 20VT is that it is average. There are plenty more cars out there that handle better. Now you've opened a can of worms!!! I don't mind, as I speak as I find. The handling difference may hev been down to the wheels. I haven't driven a 20VT on 18" wheels, so I can't say for sure though. Both cars were on the standard suspension. The 16VT had done 107k miles, my 20VT has 84k showing, although my 20VT has had all of the front suspension replaced apart from the dampers and springs themselves..
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: kj16v]
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10/11/2008 14:57
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my 20VT has had all of the front suspension replaced apart from the dampers and springs themselves.. not really "all of the front suspension" then really, especially when the standard springs and dampers account for most of the lack of precision for which the car is criticised. a well-sorted 20vt is a formidable handling car. Yes, I know there are MANY better-handling cars out there, but very few are FWD, and those that are, tend to be quite recent designs. If you allow the Coupe some improvements to compete with more modern kit, it can be VERY good. If you look at some of the RWD (and 4WD) cars I beat at TOTB this year (half a dozen Skylines, handful of Exiges, that sort of thing), there's no way you could ever claim that the Coupe won't handle
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Nigel]
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10/11/2008 17:15
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my 20VT has had all of the front suspension replaced apart from the dampers and springs themselves.. not really "all of the front suspension" then really, especially when the standard springs and dampers account for most of the lack of precision for which the car is criticised. a well-sorted 20vt is a formidable handling car. Yes, I know there are MANY better-handling cars out there, but very few are FWD, and those that are, tend to be quite recent designs. If you allow the Coupe some improvements to compete with more modern kit, it can be VERY good. If you look at some of the RWD (and 4WD) cars I beat at TOTB this year (half a dozen Skylines, handful of Exiges, that sort of thing), there's no way you could ever claim that the Coupe won't handle I see your point Nigel, and I do intend to replace them soon. The thing is though the 16VT was also on its original dampers, and they had done even more miles.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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10/11/2008 20:54
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Well 18's should have made it handle worse 18s handle worse on poor road surfaces but I actually think they are better on a good smooth surface. The sidewall of the tyre feels stiffer where as a standard tyre feels like it does \ ____\ that more.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: GraemeC]
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10/11/2008 21:05
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Come on Nigel, when are you going to give us a full description of your set up?? I don't think I could afford Nigels setup.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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10/11/2008 21:35
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You'd be REALLY surprised..... this is the total of ALL my handling mods Secondhand Eibach springs - £50 Secondhand Koni shocks - £100 Lancia Dedra front ARB - £150 Novitec rear ARB - £135 Polybushed front wishbones - £200 Secondhand strut brace - £50 Lower subframe brace - £85 30 years of driving experience - priceless nothing special, about £800 in total, spent over 5 years.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Nigel]
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10/11/2008 23:22
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Have to admit, I am surprised - my own setup is one of the tried and tested coupe formulas and not that different to yours...
Eibach springs Bilstein shocks Whiteline rear ARB Strut brace Lower subframe brace (thanks!)
No polybushes, but wishbones etc. all renewed less than two years ago and mainly motorway miles since
Interesting, perhaps I need to take my coupe on a track to see what it can do.... This could get expensive...
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: GraemeC]
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14/11/2008 16:24
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Did my first drive with lower front subframe brace (OMP) and it really made a difference. A lot stiffer front end which you could feel over uneven surfaces especially, much like the effect of the Sparco strutbrace. I suspect it would even effect the handling a little sometimes, possibly under hard braking. Very nice, now I just need a welder to adjust it for max clearance.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: jimboy]
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14/11/2008 21:38
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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15/11/2008 17:36
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hey,hey,hey......all the bits on the coop :D..poly wish/bones,billies, track rod ends,drop/links new brakes,bottom strut/bar etc,etc....like a new car only small issue is the oil drain plug,the bottom/bar is in the way my mate who is a mechanic with his own business charged me £60 for the whole lot, now he IS a friend
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: crgracing]
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16/11/2008 11:45
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hey Crgracing found a tyre place open on a Sunday so going to get tracking done.i think its better to get this checked out sooner than later.(any excuse for a wee blast :D) i know what you mean, boys&their toys ach i don't think ill ever grow up just a quick update...had the tracking done £30 for 15mns work ach i cant complain anyhoo wow this car of mine sits on the road like sh[te to a blanket.. i see what Nigel&others means by a well set up coop & i haven't touched the ARB,s don't know if i will now. i may leave that for another time :D... i,m still smiling
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 08:09
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Nooooooooooo! Wings on road cars do nothing for downforce, maybe a tiny bit for fuel consumption (they reduce the vacuum to the rear of the car by upsetting the airflow) However, they totally destroy the looks of the Coupe. If you fit one, you WILL be ridiculed - you have been warned
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
[Re: Jumeirah]
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20/11/2008 09:35
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Wings are for aircraft, end of!
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 11:34
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hum i think it depends on the car! rwd car do lay down the power with them better on the coop it will look stupid and have little efect at all
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 12:28
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I remember clarkson talking about the difference the front splitter made to their 330d 24hr car on that Avantime article the other day. I wonder if there might be some significant gains by using one of these in conjunction with a decent diffuser?
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 12:37
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Was it Freddan who had a rear diffuser, made by a chap at Volvo? EDIT - Nope it was Per
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 13:48
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Proper aero kits for production cars cost alot of money and time to perfect, although if you drive a car with additional downforce the difference is staggering.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 14:42
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Proper aero kits for production cars cost alot of money and time to perfect, although if you drive a car with additional downforce the difference is staggering. What have you driven then Ruben?
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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jumeirah, u'd be surprised how much aero work there is on the coupe. for one thing, all the heat exchangers - rad, oil cooler, intercooler - are ducted. and this includes front splitters incorporated into the ducting design. this allows the coop to run smaller frontal openings to reduce drag and at the same time improve performance of the heat exchangers. even the latest japanese performance cars dont come with ducted heat exchangers and you pay a lot of money to fit aftermarket ducting that doesnt even work half as well as our stock design.
so pls guys, the coop doesnt need any more holes in the front, thank you very much. and if ur thinking of changing the front bumper/bodykit, make sure it doesnt obstruct the ducting. some guys have overheating problems with aftermarket front bumpers.
secondly, the coop has a front engine undertray that cleans up airflow under the front of the car. this is also matched to a working rear diffuser. yes, the 15 yr old coop has rear diffuser, something that is absent on all but the very latest japanese performance models. ever follow behind a coop and wonder why a FWD would kick up so much dust/dirt? that's the rear diffuser doing its work.
not to mention the coupe's superior shape which doesn't really need vortex generators, rear wings, etc. so don't sell the coop short aerodynamically even tho it's a 15 yr old design.
let's look at the other things the coop did 15 yrs ago which are still mainstream today - 2L high pressure turbo lump, starter button, brembo brakes, recaro seats, 6-speed gearbox, etc. there's a lot going for the coop even today. its no slouch.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 16:58
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Redd you have totaly diverted this thread to something else. Your emphasising on 15 years and comparing small things like start button (outdated…today mainstream is engine on/off keylesss system), Brembo brakes (its a brand not technology), recaro seats (It’s a brand again, you probably meant Recaro look), 6 speed gear box (been there for 30 years) Talking what is mainstream in todays regular sports cars well we would have to start a diff thread for that…pract everything is diffrent,Advanced clutch systems, transmission, suspension, powerfull yet eco friendly engines, Ball Bearing & Twin Turbos, high end ICE, lighting, electronics etc.. I own my 20vt for 8 years now. Love every thing about it. Nobody has said it is slouch. We were just inputing about the handling aspect. End of the day whether you like it or not it is no modern machine but a Modern Classic period. cheers, Rui
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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sorry i thought we were talking about aerodynamics? my apologies if i digressed on the cosmetic aspects of the car...
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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20/11/2008 17:49
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Sorry to go on bout diffusors/downforce, but here's my diffusor. There are JPEG's for anyone to download for free.. Would really like to see somebody else making one too. http://sfk.ibk.se/depa/index.php?sub=viewcar&car_no=321The Coupe was way ahead of it's time aerodynamically (with Bangle what would you expect??) and this would enhance the rear downforce (where most cars have lift, not sure about the Coupe) at high speed a little extra. See it like this; you could throw away that sack of potatoes from the trunk! Together with the LE/Plus-kit (which gives more downforce at the front with the splitters, and keeps the flow under the car better with the skirts) this is particularly ok.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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Sorry to go on bout diffusors/downforce, but here's my diffusor. There are JPEG's for anyone to download for free.. Would really like to see somebody else making one too. http://sfk.ibk.se/depa/index.php?sub=viewcar&car_no=321The Coupe was way ahead of it's time aerodynamically (with Bangle what would you expect??) and this would enhance the rear downforce (where most cars have lift, not sure about the Coupe) at high speed a little extra. See it like this; you could throw away that sack of potatoes from the trunk! Together with the LE/Plus-kit (which gives more downforce at the front with the splitters, and keeps the flow under the car better with the skirts) this is particularly ok. I heard a rumour that Andreas Zaptinas redesigned the rear of the Coupe, as the original Bangle design produced too much lift. The splitter does look good BTW.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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21/11/2008 10:34
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Together with the LE/Plus-kit (which gives more downforce at the front with the splitters, and keeps the flow under the car better with the skirts) this is particularly ok.
Do you have any evidence to back this up? If the front splitters were actually designed with aerodynamic testing, then I could be persuaded to invest in a pair. As for side skirts, I'd be very surprised if they were designed with air flow in mind, especially some of the aftermarket jobs... I do like some of your ideas though Per, I will definitely do get my sills painted the way you have at some point
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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All this talk of diffusors - I've no idea if the coupe would benefit from one or not!
However, you can see vorticies behind the coupe when driving...
Next time you find yourself on a wet, empty motorway, take a close look through the rear view mirror - you can see twin vorticies coming from out the back of the car in the spray
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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I for one would be up for a set, anyone else?. I'm sure we maybe able to convince per to make a few sets???. Obviously I'd be happy to pay for them.
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I for one would be up for a set, anyone else?. I'm sure we maybe able to convince per to make a few sets???. Obviously I'd be happy to pay for them.
Cheers Tim I wouldn't be so sure... People have been trying for years but he won't have it
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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Right then all, As long as it's ok with per. I'm going to make some of these up. Anybody interested?
Cheers Tim
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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Right then all, As long as it's ok with per. I'm going to make some of these up. Anybody interested?
Cheers Tim I'd be interested but would like to see a full review of one fitted to a coop and tested. If it provided only a few kgs of extra downforce, them I'm sure it would be noticed on a track or even fast motorway b road driving. An idea of price would also help me make up my mind
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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Ask any aerodynamic you trust and he will tell you it works! How many kg's one can only guess without a windtunnel test. Here's a pic showing the flow direction, how dirt/water has run along the top/diffusor ceiling, on one of the 2 middle plates: http://sfk.ibk.se/forum/attachment.php?s=12d503ef044dde83ba5f51cedc5faff3&postid=82608Actually, the fluid principals around this area are not that complicated as long as the rest of the floor is relatively flat. And the Coupe floor is VERY flat compared to most cars. Feel free to compare with most std. "diffusors" on today's cars which has become a trend.. Almost every is near useless. The 500 Abarth diffusor actually looks like one of the most valid ones! (another very "basic" area which works similar on many cars is the bootlid tail. That's why many upper-range cars have similar spoilers, such as the BMW M-cars, the Audi RS4, The AMG's etc. etc. The Coupe shape is not that different, so a "M3/M5-spoiler" is probably useful too. For better release/lower drag.)
Last edited by Per; 25/11/2008 15:33. Reason: Redd you're right on the Clio
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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per, on what basis do u claim the clio sport rear diffusor to be useless? i read that renault claims it produces significant downforce [40kg iirc?]. ive personally seen the diffusor and it's a better designed/made unit than the one on the coop. its larger, extends further into the car, and has the requisite 7-14deg rake.
the coop one is raked correctly but isnt near as large as the one on the clio.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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25/11/2008 15:25
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Ok that's a bad example from memory then, point is there are a lot of fake ones out there, just for looks. The Renault: http://car4sport.ru/img/Renault%20Clio%20Sport%20V6_1.jpgYes it looks quite good, although it looks steep that angle. I hope there is no sharp break at the beginning, then it might work well. Then again, who's going to make the effort to test the claims from Renault..? I think they calculated that too if you know what I mean. There is no diffusor on the Coupe as std. Flat floor yes.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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per, there is a diffusor on the coop. what ur referring to as a "flat floor" on the rear is a diffusor. it just doesnt have the pronounced "strakes" [the stock one has small ones] and "end plates" which uv added on to your diffusor.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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This is really getting OT.. But Redd, there is a certain aerodynamic function (incl. "suction" due to growing area) to a diffusor, see this quick funny scetch a mate did the other day: http://sfk.ibk.se/forum/attachment.php?s=29937eaae5edc6199e4a0db4a8328c10&postid=54833Anyway there is none of that on the std Coupe, just a flat floor and also an bumper edge spoiling the flow at the end. I suppose what you could say is there's "half-a-diffusor" already. The "ceiling" of it.
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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Per, would you say you noticed any different to your car's high speed stability after fitting your diffusor? I'm sure that if it was going to work, it would be doing so and (quite noticeably) at 80-100mph...
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Re: coupe handling ...i think its to good for a FW
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No. But the difference would be the same as having a big bag at the back.. And on Autobahn I've always had the car full of load anyway.. So - hard to tell! A few kg's extra anyway, for sure.
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