Cracking forum. Does anyone know if the gtech chip will fit the Kappa as well or is the mapping different? My K Coupe just doesn't seem as strong as it should be. My old Fiat 20vt was MUCH quicker. K just doesn't have noticeable boost. Any suggestions how to check it?
thanks

There were at least 2 members on the old forum who owned Kappas and i think its Nysaa(spelling) who races one with a fair few ponies under the bonnet

Welcome to the club as well

I would start with a boos guage and checking over all your boost hoses for any leaks as well so you can find out what pressure your running and if its incorrect

You can always ask Keith @ Auto-Integrale, as he is a specialist in Lancia's (as well as our Coops)..

Contact details here : http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/showflat.php?...&PHPSESSID=

Welcome to the forum Lindsay. I'm none the wiser on this one, but don't forget the k coupe weighs a whole lot more than the Fiat and is supposed to be best part of a second slower to 60 as a result

Not sure I would want to start playing with the ECU as the Lancia has a whole load more electronics than the Coupe has and wouldn't want to risk affecting these

When Auto Italia featured my k coupe many years ago, Roberto made the mistake of comparing it with the Fiat Coupe. Whilst not wanting to upset anyone on this forum, I didn't want a Fiat Coupe, I wanted something more refined and spacious and was happy to accept a slight blunting of performance. Once you've got up past 60 or so, not so sure there's that much in it

Lancia Kappa 20V Turbo uses M2.10.4 - same as the 20VT.

Have a look in your manual if you are in doubt, but I looked at the different ECUs on the offchance that one might be OBDII compliant so that it can be mapped more easily. It turns out only the Thesis 20V Turbo has an OBDII ECU and the chances of getting hold of one of them let alone the decode software is near on impossible

The Kappa might actually have a lower spec 20V Turbo engine to the coupe The piping is subtly different on the intake and I would look to see if you have the gas recirc trap at the back of your engine before you install a chip. One or two late 20VTs are also missing these meaning it would be a little dodgy to fit the chip onto these cars.

John

Thanks for the replies. I hope the Lancia Club forum takes off like yours. I think I will avoid chipping it, as it is getting on a bit, but I think Trevor (nyssa7) is right, it is purely down to the K being heavier, and perhaps longer gearing. Again, at the risk of offending the Fiat Coupe boys, it is much more refined. You take your choice......
Wish I had the same support as these guys though!
cheers
Lindsay

John

All 20vt variants of the kappa claim the same 220bhp as per the Fiat, so doubt its any form of lower spec

Not so the Thesis 20vt, which for some strange reason Lancia thought would work better with just 185bhp!

Trevor

how high is your peak boost?

hardware and software code of your kappa?

kappa race car only runs 1.1 bar to produce 406bhp. We're still experimenting with maps in an attempt to maximise mid range so will run more boost (1.4-1.5) and let tail off to no more than 1.2 at top end as the engine can't flow any more than that

Running a bespoke Motec M48 set up, along with 903cc injectors, T34 turbo, bespoke tubular manifold, C&B cams and giant Skyline FMIC. Not to mention forged pistons and rods so it all holds together

A lot more power to come when we find some money for head work, let alone some more racey cams

Hey guys,

I also own a Lancia Kappa Coupé. I was also looking into chipping it with the Gtech stage 1. I am not quite sure if the stock Fiat Coupé and Kappa Coupé chips and maps are identical and therefore the tuning chips like the Gtech are interchangeable between the models. I think once Flea mentioned that there are slight differences in the mapping. So... Can I use the Gtech chip?

No doubt though, that both engines are identical. Engine code, turbocharger and Motronic codes are identical. Of course most of the auxilaries are different. Different intercooler (bigger), intake piping (focus on silence), ac compressor, generator, servo pump and other smaller stuff...
Side note... The Kappa has also bigger Brembos... ;-)

Cheers

Mikele send a message to forum member grahaml - he knows all about the GTEC chips.

Thanks for the advice, Nello. Not sure though if Graham can tell me about the differences between these Chips/mappings...

Yes the gtec1 runs fine in the Kappa, there are at least 6 or 7 guys running it that I know of, some for many years.

Are you aware what the differences are, Flea pointed out? Is rolling road testing necessary?

You are also offering a less aggressive map. What are the differences?

Right now my standard chip does 1.0 BAR standard boost and 1.2 BAR overboost. What is achieved through the Gtec1?

I'm not aware of the differences, if any, in the original chips for each version. The Kappa owners who contacted me were willing to give it a try and it seems to work OK.

The most recent one was a Kappa owner in Russia who has a slight issue with the boost pulsing which can also happen on coupes. He tried the uprated GM EBV which has improved but not totally eliminated the problem, although he has a non-standard turbo and I think some other issues with the engine which may not be helping.

I can certainly compare the chips to confirm any differences for sure if you had a spare one you could send me?

Gtec1 and Gtec2 both run at 1.2 bar sustained with slightly higher overboost of anything from 1.3 to 1.5 bar depending on the turbo and exhaust, but usually it's nearer 1.4 bar. The Gtec2 has more aggressive ignition advance , particularly low down, so uprated intercooler is required.

Hey Graham,

Your reply is highly appreciated.

I am running a completely stock and perfectly maintained 20Vt without any issues. Thus a Gtec1 would be the way to go I guess...

Once again... Is it plug and play, or is it necessary to do the rolling road for fuelling?

Would you prefer buying the Gtec1 directly through you without ebay?

Ciao, Mikele

It's plug and play and personally I wouldn't bother with a fuelling check if the engine is running well, but it's certainly worth considering having a fuelling check done to be 100% sure there are no underlying issues which could create a problem when the boost is raised.

You could even consider fitting an A/F ratio gauge or just checking the plug condition and appearance after fitting the chip.

Just send me a PM on here, I give a discount to forum members.

Ooh these look nice! I take it they don't use the type three platform as they appear to have a longer wheelbase?

Edit
Alfa 166 platform and only available LHD, damn.

The Kappa runs on the Tipo 4 platform. The suspension is similar to the one from the Alfa 164/Lancia Thema. The Kappa hasnot so much in common with the 166 suspension, which still runs on the Tipo 4 afaik.
Kappa Coupé has a shortened wheelbase in comparison to the sedan and SW.

Here are some pics if you are interested...

link

Thanks Mikele, the coupe reminds me of the Peugeot 406 coupe.