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Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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04/03/2009 22:23
04/03/2009 22:23
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Would an incorrectly adjusted actuater cause boost creep  Since i've fitted my RS around two years ago i have always suffered this  eg; base boost 0.9 till 5k then to 1.1 at 7k I have renewed all the greddy hose's fom the solenid to the controller and the compresser and actuater, and also bypassed the controller by going straight from the actuater to the compresser. Still no joy  This morning i blew and sucked on the actuater pipe and heard a kind of quish,quish noise as i sucked and blowed down the pipe. the sound was coming from the actuater. Bare in mind i could only just suck a little bit of air through, would this be the cause off my creep. Ben
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Kelv27]
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05/03/2009 10:51
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The wastgate can open smoothly a full 90' sweep. I dont have a pressured air line to connect to the actater, though i seem to recall its not advised to do that  Ben
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 10:55
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Well if the air line pressure is controlled, I don't see how it could cause any problems. To be honest i'm not sure what else it could be. When I had a similar problem, no one could really give me an answer as well. Eventually i tried using an exhaust restrictor ring to see if it helps. It does, but I wouldn't advice using it as its just too mcuh restriction on the exhaust. When i took the ring off, the car was flying again  What boost controller have you got?
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Benny]
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05/03/2009 11:12
05/03/2009 11:12
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Kenno
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Be interested to hear your results Ben. I adjusted my wastegate to be firmly shut which now gives me better spool up but BIG boost creep.
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 11:15
05/03/2009 11:15
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I'll adjust it and see though im not confident it will work  The easier option will be is to buy a new actuater and see. Ben
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 11:28
05/03/2009 11:28
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Kenno
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Or most people have ported the wastegate to prevent this.
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 11:32
05/03/2009 11:32
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eldinho
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Or most people have ported the wastegate to prevent this.
thats what I've done! 
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 11:33
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I have spoke to mark at owen developments and he assures me the 28rs's dont creep as they have a fair size wastgate flap and he seems pretty sure its somthing else  Ben
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Benny]
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05/03/2009 12:59
05/03/2009 12:59
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TurboJ
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I have serious Boost creep too. I can set mine to 0.8Bar (lowest) then at WOT and by 5K it can creep up to 1.7BAR  I have the 14 psi RS actuator on a GT2871R with a full 3" system and a Blitz Dual. I actually don't mind this as it’s like having boost control with gears  By 5K I have full traction and want more boost anyway 
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 13:24
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Right i've been out and disabled the greedy, piece of new petrol pipe from actuater to the compresser and i have removed my restricter ring result is that the greddy is not the problem. i hit 0.7 then by 4.5k it starts rising to 1.35 just before 7k so is this genuine boost creep or possibley a faulty actuater  Ben
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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05/03/2009 13:28
05/03/2009 13:28
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Sounds like boost creep and the only real feasiable way of fixing it, is to have the internal wastegate ported out to a larger size. As the revs get higher, there is more exhaust gas getting in, but not enough flowing out the wastegate to keep the boost level acceptable.
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Benny]
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05/03/2009 14:37
05/03/2009 14:37
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TurboJ
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In my case it is down to the fact that I have a full 3" system causing less back pressure. To solve this issue as Begbie suggested porting out the WG is the way unless you wanna go external wg.
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
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06/03/2009 13:11
06/03/2009 13:11
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The wastegate needs porting, I had this problem with my 28RS although mine was creeping up to 1.6 bar. I tried 4 different actuators and the exhaust resriction thing, the only way to cure it was to port the wastegate Get that dremel out 
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Taffy20vt]
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06/03/2009 15:00
06/03/2009 15:00
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Can anyone give more details about porting the wastegate? and what should be exactly done? what size of porting? 
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Nigel]
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06/03/2009 15:16
06/03/2009 15:16
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TurboJ
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Because you have back pressure. 10% pressure is recommended for road turbos so if you run 1Bar boost you want 1.1Bar back pressure. I don't want back pressure I want more power  . Basically if you have a free flowing exhaust the lower the backpressure, this increases the speed of the gasses across the turbine wheel. Gases want to go the easy route rather than go through the restricted WG hole. This makes more boost which means more exhaust gas than the standard WG is designed to handle hence boost creep. I knew I should have gone external WG  .
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Kelv27]
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06/03/2009 15:20
06/03/2009 15:20
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It seems to happen at random  Sorry I disagree boost creep is not random it’s a mismatch somewhere.
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Re: Boost creep/actuater adjustment
[Re: Kelv27]
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06/03/2009 15:59
06/03/2009 15:59
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Kenno
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Curious that I never had creep on my GT28RSR and yet I do in the GT28RS. Probably down to the bigger turbine wheel.
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