Hi Guys,

I used to have a porto blue 20vt a few years back until I let a mate drive it late one night, to cut a long story short he managed to park it in reverse into someones wall/house.
Now things have changed, and i'm back once again. Yesterday i purchased an electric blue plus. It seems mechanically sound, there are a few cosmetic problems, but nothing too major. It could probalary do with a blow over to make it mint (dent removal also), but i'm happy with it for now. Now.....

It has had some work done to it, some by barbz at tourque italia. According to the paper work I have (and the massive amount of lag) he has fitted a GT25R turbo, along with a stainless exhaust. After having a tinker around the engine bay, this would seem right as there is no pressure feed from the turbo to the peirburg valve (fiat boost controller). He had T peiced into the vacum pipe for the fuel rail, and well, without getting pictures up its hard to explain. 2" samco vacum pipe out of the T, into a rigid plastic pipe that was inserted inside the samco piping then joining onto the original fiat pipe by pushing this inside. (think of a small carton of drink with a straight straw attached, thats what was used to 'bridge the gap' in the pipe). This was quite loose so i have cable tied it even tighter and some of the lag seems to have gone now. I'll replace it this week when i can get some new pipe. I tightened all the boost piping also, and checked the dv. I did think that he had a standard diaphram dumpvalve, but on closer inspection it is a forge recirc, do these have a habit of leaking boost?

My main question is, how safe is it to run this turbo on standard mapping? Ideally i'd like to remove the peirburg valve and fit a bleed, along with my old boost gauge, but before I even think about doing that, i'd like some reassurance/guidance.
My last 20vt was chipped with a GrahamL chip (R reg car) and i was running 1.2bar, regulated with a bleed valve. I very much doubt that the chip I have (I still have the old car btw) will provide sufficiant fueling with this turbo, but its worth asking the question.

This is getting kinda lengty so i'll leave it here for now.

Cheers.

Rob.

Interesting about the lag, what rpm do you see positive boost and then 1bar? In terms of boost control, are you thinking that it simply runs off the actuator, no manual valve or boost controller?

Re fueling, well it's hard to say what it will be doing but worth getting it checked out at the very least or even better live mapped.

I can't say for certain, as I have yet to fit the gauge, but positive boost seems to build about 2500+ maybe 2000+ but doesn't hit peak till about 4100, maybe a bit higher. It definatley seems to pull higher up the rev range than standard, almost like a massive surge then leaning out up high but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I was in the driving seat of a coop, but this feels very different. I shall get some pics of my unusual boost pipe extenton tomorrow, and some of the turbo also. I could even get some vids up of lag/dials if you think that'd help? I have been rading this foru, now and again, and although I don't know the in's and outs,I think you could help me Flea, how much would I be looking at for a live map, and where are you located? Also, how do you actually map? Wideband lambda? How do you tap into the bosch system & write/re-write the eprom?

Many thanks.

Just sent you some more info via pm.

welcome back.
wonder if this is Kelly's and danielthemanuals old coupe??
sounds like when I saw it before with the turbo and needing a dentman and a blowover

Doesnt Lucifer have Kelly's old plus ?

rob you smell !!! u know who it is . stop being tight and go by a uni chip and get it mapped . thats what i was running with my gt28r tourque italia stage 2 turbo

It doesn't run a Unichip anymore

oh flea u do mapping now ! well dont get a unichip get flea to map it !

Kelly and danielthemanual? Do you have pics of said car? The guy who I bought it off was the second owner from new...

Ryan! Christ, i've only just remembered seeing you out in town last night! Was rather drunk by the end! And as for being tight... i've only had it two days you tart, give me a chance!

Flea, I don't think I was very clear. The car does use the EBV, but its just not plumbed in the usual way. As there is no nipple on the turbo to take a boost feed to the EBV, someome (I assume Barbz) has taken the feed from the fuel rail vaccum line. But the extention is a weird one, I can't immagine that Barbz would have been short of vaccum piping that he'd have to.... well, bodge it. See picture below.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/uploadmush/IMG_1415.jpg

Also, this is the best picture of the turbo that I could get in my hungover state. Flea, is this the turbo you mentioned in your pm?
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee303/uploadmush/IMG_1419.jpg

by looking at the pictures your screwed i think you need to sell the car to me for say £500 and be done with it. yes in the end i went to Q where i got rather wet and drunk in a foam party !

if you bought it from it's second owner it won't be kelly's/danielthemanuals car, think you're right taff that lucifer has it

Correct, it's not my old Plus. That never went to Barbz Lucifer is bringing it to the Alton Towers meet so I can see it again after all these years!