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Coilovers FK or KW
#883208
14/08/2009 17:49
14/08/2009 17:49
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TurboJ
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Ok I'm getting to the point now where I need to start sorting out the rest of the car. I have looked at many different brands and have narrowed it down to these two. I want to be able to use my car everyday but give it the odd track day once or twice a year etc. I'm not sure if I really want/need to be able to adjust the damping/rebound. But the height is important I don't want to have to avoid certain roads etc... The FK Silverline X are fully adjustable all round, height and damping for £685. http://www.venommotorsport.com/product_d...gory=SuspensionI am concerned that they are not for long term use due to this: http://www.kw-suspension.co.uk/salt-spray-test.htmThe KW Variants are fully adjustable all round except the rear height which is a fixed 50mm drop. I'm worried that this is too low. http://www.kw-suspension.co.uk/coilover/products.php?vid=270Is there enough justification for the extra £320 from Variant 1 to Variant 2 or should I spend this on a nice Eibach Anti roll kit? Ideally I would prefer the KW's on the front and FK's on the rear but this is NOT possible I'm unsure what route to take so any suggestions?
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#883211
14/08/2009 17:55
14/08/2009 17:55
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suba
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The FK's are too hard for road use IMO.
I've not used the KW's...
How about the Gaz kit - not cheap, but very good for road and track.
50mm is a big drop - too big on a coupe (you dont want more than 20mm for handling), not sure about the Bravo?
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#883213
14/08/2009 18:09
14/08/2009 18:09
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TurboJ
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50mm drop is the rear only. FK's do three different springs 80Nm, 100Nm & 120Nm I will look into Gaz.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#883242
14/08/2009 18:56
14/08/2009 18:56
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nelson
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Why don't give these guys a call and see what they can arrange for you?
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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14/08/2009 21:01
14/08/2009 21:01
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Steve_G
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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14/08/2009 22:01
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TurboJ
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The top mounts are from a 1.6 Bravo so I would need them regardless. I think I'm leaning to the KW sports as I think 95% of my driving will be on public roads. Seems a waste to get coilovers for 5% usage.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#883413
14/08/2009 23:31
14/08/2009 23:31
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Jimbo
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Not wanting to sound funny but this forum is mainly used by coupe drivers so not many people will know what works in a bravo ? The difference between the fk and the fk silverline x is a koni insert and the damper body being made from stainless steel.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
[Re: Jimbo]
#883475
15/08/2009 10:03
15/08/2009 10:03
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Steve_G
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Sorry was written in a hurry and just realised how it came out Should have read "he'll be ok its in a bravo anyway" (and to correct myself his mounts are different so it doesnt matter)
Last edited by Steve_G; 15/08/2009 10:04.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#883877
16/08/2009 13:10
16/08/2009 13:10
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TurboJ
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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17/08/2009 07:51
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luke
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KW v2's
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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21/08/2009 19:38
21/08/2009 19:38
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plasticomnium
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However you decide (KW, FK, Koni, etc.), you better buy a Coupe version and not a Bravo version.. since we have the same conversion, let me tell you why:
As I have done, you need to buy the HGT-version ( in my case KW1) anyway because the HGT and the Coupe have the same wide hub strut 35mm, also thicker bolts too..
I additionally ordered stronger springs at the front (60kg) because the Coupe's KW has 70kg springs and the HGT-KW only 50 kg..
Additionally, the damper insert is a little bit stronger to cater for the extra weight of the 20vt engine as opposed to the 20v..
I first thought that the Bravo is not as heavy on the front as the Coupe so the HGT-version damper should be ok but I recently found out that my Bravo20VT is exactly 865 kg on the front (445kg rear)
In total that is 1310 kg with full tank but without the driver !!! So clearly more than the HGT..
And after 2 years I feel that riding / damping is not as smooth as it used to be and see that the damper is starting to leak - in my point of view due to the weaker damper...
I am also intersted in the GAZ kit but unsure if it will fit our top mounts..
Greetz Jochen
Last edited by plasticomnium; 21/08/2009 19:42.
Bravo 20VT Plus, Gtech1, K&N57i, Blueflame 2.75+race cat, OMP strut hi+lo, BC coils, AP brake 328x28
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
[Re: plasticomnium]
#887189
22/08/2009 11:09
22/08/2009 11:09
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TurboJ
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Well I know the coupe and Bravo HGT use the same wishbone but I’m unsure about the hubs as I still use the Bravo HGT wheel hubs and NOT the coupe ones. I was going to get my car weighed before I order any suspension anyway. So are you saying that the only difference is the top mounts, in which case any coupe 20VT suspension will work providing the top mounts fit?
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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22/08/2009 12:20
22/08/2009 12:20
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Jimbo
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No, the spacing of the two bolt holes in the hub may be different too. 20vt top mounts will fit the Bravo but you may need to buy the suspension kit for the 20v n/a or 16vt as I think that has the same bolt holes as the bravo. Double check though, I could be talking out of my ass....again
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
[Re: Jimbo]
#887445
22/08/2009 23:07
22/08/2009 23:07
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TurboJ
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They won't have the same part number the ABS is in different location for a start.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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23/08/2009 09:13
23/08/2009 09:13
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Akeme
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I had KW V2s on my coupe and im getting KW Clubsports for my golf, i cant speak highly enough of them.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#887617
23/08/2009 14:50
23/08/2009 14:50
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TurboJ
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I'm not going for the coilovers anymore as I'm a constant road driver and can't justify the price jump but if I was KW's would have been the final choice. KW sports shocks use Koni parts so might as well get the Konis as they are adjustable KW's are not, but if my Bravo can run coupe gear then this opens more options.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
[Re: plasticomnium]
#893958
04/09/2009 16:18
04/09/2009 16:18
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TurboJ
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I have just had the car weighed. Front Axle weights 840KG Rear Axle weights 440KG TOTAL weight 1280KG with half a tank of fuel (30 litres = 30KG). So if I had a full tank of fuel I would have a weight of 1310KG which is exactly the same as you I have passed this information onto Koni as they need to confirm whether the Bravo kit will be suitable for my increased weights. Koni make the dampers but the springs are made by Lesjofors. The coupe kit WILL fit on the bravo but they are setup for a coupe so I have to wait for confirmation from Koni for what to do next. My friend will be taking his coupe to the same weighbridge so that we can compare axle weight differences between the coupe 20VT and the Bravo 20VT.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
[Re: DaveG]
#893984
04/09/2009 17:24
04/09/2009 17:24
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TurboJ
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lol, u must be bored
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#895171
07/09/2009 15:33
07/09/2009 15:33
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TurboJ
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TurboJ
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Koni have come back to me and said that I must use the Bravo HGT kit as it has been setup for that car. The coupe kit will not be setup correctly. The weight difference is very minor compared to STD HGT and the kit is able to deal with my conversion. So I have ordered Koni's all round for the bravo no chopping required Thanks to all you guys for your input.
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#895681
08/09/2009 13:22
08/09/2009 13:22
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TurboJ
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TurboJ
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On back order till Nov
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#896758
09/09/2009 20:45
09/09/2009 20:45
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Trickymex
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Did you ever look into the GAZ setup? They are only in Essex if I remember corectly
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Re: Coilovers FK or KW
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#897033
10/09/2009 10:39
10/09/2009 10:39
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TurboJ
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GAZ is not for me, don't want coilovers plus they don't do a Bravo setup and I don't want to be the first to try.
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