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who makes the 20v engine? #660775 10/08/2008 20:00 10/08/2008 20:00
C clay Unregistered
clay Unregistered C	is it fiats own or is it v.a.g.?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660778 10/08/2008 20:03 10/08/2008 20:03
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 32,123 Cumbria stan Dr. Frankenstan
stan Dr. Frankenstan Forum Demigod Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 32,123 Cumbria	Fiat.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: stan] #660791 10/08/2008 20:40 10/08/2008 20:40
A ActionHank Unregistered
ActionHank Unregistered A	V.A.G.??!!! How could you!

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660797 10/08/2008 20:51 10/08/2008 20:51
V Vickster Unregistered
Vickster Unregistered V	What a very strange question

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660798 10/08/2008 21:04 10/08/2008 21:04
C clay Unregistered
clay Unregistered C	why is it strange? dont forget ive had 2 16vts and im picking my 20vt up on wednesday! just wanted to know about it. ive said it before and ill say it again, i have my doubts about the 20v engine ie bottom ends going etc im just hoping its down to people running silly boost and not looking after the cars as they should

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660801 10/08/2008 21:18 10/08/2008 21:18
S symonh2000 Unregistered
symonh2000 Unregistered S	The 20V engine is generally stronger than the 16V As long as its been serviced regularly, not run low on oil and hasn't been run on high boost they are usually very reliable.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660802 10/08/2008 21:19 10/08/2008 21:19
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,560 Oxfordshire Gaz My life on the forum
Gaz My life on the forum Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,560 Oxfordshire	Its called lack of oil

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660804 10/08/2008 21:22 10/08/2008 21:22
C clay Unregistered
clay Unregistered C	Originally Posted by symonh2000 The 20V engine is generally stronger than the 16V As long as its been serviced regularly, not run low on oil and hasn't been run on high boost they are usually very reliable. thats what im hoping. i know how much i look after my cars so as long as the one im picking up has been looked after which im sure it has as it was benjes then it should be all dandy

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660923 11/08/2008 08:29 11/08/2008 08:29
M MABR Unregistered
MABR Unregistered M	Originally Posted by clay is it fiats own or is it v.a.g.? Don't let Wellformed hear you ask that!

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660926 11/08/2008 08:41 11/08/2008 08:41
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,080 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Baz76 Forum is my job
Baz76 Forum is my job Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,080 Dumfriesshire, Scotland	Originally Posted by Vickster What a very strange question Not really strange as quite a lot of people aren`t aware of the FIAT 5-cylinder engine . Most of them just assume it to be a VAG unit (either Audi`s 5-cylinder or the VW 20valve 4-cylinder) as mentioned above or even a Volvo unit seeing as it`s had more media coverage lately with it being fitted to the Focus ST. Baz Project LE+

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: Baz76] #660939 11/08/2008 09:30 11/08/2008 09:30
C circolo Unregistered
circolo Unregistered C	On a similar note. Is the 20v engine derived from another previous model. As the 16v engine is loosely based upon the lancia delta integrale engine. Or was this engine designed from scratch for the Coupe 20v?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660944 11/08/2008 09:42 11/08/2008 09:42
A AlistairM Unregistered
AlistairM Unregistered A	From scratch i think, just for the coupé

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660979 11/08/2008 11:24 11/08/2008 11:24
S symonh2000 Unregistered
symonh2000 Unregistered S	I was under the impression it came from a van engine. Possibly in the Ducato?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #660983 11/08/2008 11:29 11/08/2008 11:29
S Scooby Unregistered
Scooby Unregistered S	It was Fiat's modular design engine, first seen in 4 cylinder guise in various applications and then in 5 cylinder in the Bravo HGT before coming to the Coupe.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: Baz76] #661014 11/08/2008 12:45 11/08/2008 12:45
K k9huff Unregistered
k9huff Unregistered K	Originally Posted by Baz76 or even a Volvo unit I'd be quite happy to have one of the Volvo 5 cylinder lumps in my coupe, they are almost bombproof.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661029 11/08/2008 13:11 11/08/2008 13:11
C circolo Unregistered
circolo Unregistered C	So which other Fiats use this engine in some way or other? I know of: Coupe 20v Coupe 20vt Bravo HGT Marea (not sure which derivation) Stilo Abarth (2.4 version) Any others? Vans?!

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661035 11/08/2008 13:26 11/08/2008 13:26
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,309 Sandhurst Begbie ex El Presidente
Begbie ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,309 Sandhurst	Quote The 20V engine is generally stronger than the 16V And you're getting that from where? I've known 16v engines take far more abuse and still run fine, like several integrale engines running 1.7bar mid-range boost without having issues and still on all std internals. Quote the 16v engine is loosely based upon the lancia delta integrale engine. Loosely? You mean it is exactly the same. Pistons, rods, crank, head, valves, cams, all the same, only differences are the turbo, sump and engine mount. Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661043 11/08/2008 13:48 11/08/2008 13:48
B BernieB Unregistered
BernieB Unregistered B	Originally Posted by circolo So which other Fiats use this engine in some way or other? I know of: Coupe 20v Coupe 20vt Bravo HGT Marea (not sure which derivation) Stilo Abarth (2.4 version) Any others? Vans?! Lancia Kappo?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661152 11/08/2008 17:05 11/08/2008 17:05
J Jurgen Unregistered
Jurgen Unregistered J	20v and 20vt engines were developed for the Lancia Kappa AFAIK, certainly not specifically for the coupe.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: Begbie] #661508 12/08/2008 08:18 12/08/2008 08:18
C clay Unregistered
clay Unregistered C	Originally Posted by Begbie Quote The 20V engine is generally stronger than the 16V And you're getting that from where? I've known 16v engines take far more abuse and still run fine, like several integrale engines running 1.7bar mid-range boost without having issues and still on all std internals. Quote the 16v engine is loosely based upon the lancia delta integrale engine. Loosely? You mean it is exactly the same. Pistons, rods, crank, head, valves, cams, all the same, only differences are the turbo, sump and engine mount. correct me if im wrong but isnt the 16vt coupe engine the same parts but cheaper made? than the lancia inter?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661524 12/08/2008 10:01 12/08/2008 10:01
C circolo Unregistered
circolo Unregistered C	Originally Posted by Jurgen 20v and 20vt engines were developed for the Lancia Kappa AFAIK, certainly not specifically for the coupe. Interesting. Designed for this car. . Nice looking Italian luxo-barge. There's something a bit "Coupeish" about it. I know it looks nothing like the Coupe, but maybe its the snubbed high rear end. The estate version of the Kappa, and four door are a bit hum-drum though.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661531 12/08/2008 10:14 12/08/2008 10:14
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,309 Sandhurst Begbie ex El Presidente
Begbie ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,309 Sandhurst	Originally Posted by clay Originally Posted by Begbie Quote The 20V engine is generally stronger than the 16V And you're getting that from where? I've known 16v engines take far more abuse and still run fine, like several integrale engines running 1.7bar mid-range boost without having issues and still on all std internals. Quote the 16v engine is loosely based upon the lancia delta integrale engine. Loosely? You mean it is exactly the same. Pistons, rods, crank, head, valves, cams, all the same, only differences are the turbo, sump and engine mount. correct me if im wrong but isnt the 16vt coupe engine the same parts but cheaper made? than the lancia inter? No, why would they be cheapier parts? Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: Begbie] #661539 12/08/2008 10:22 12/08/2008 10:22
C clay Unregistered
clay Unregistered C	not sure i thought it had been mentioned on here before?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661547 12/08/2008 10:27 12/08/2008 10:27
L Lum Unregistered
Lum Unregistered L	Originally Posted by circolo Designed for this car. . Nice looking Italian luxo-barge. There's something a bit "Coupeish" about it. I know it looks nothing like the Coupe, but maybe its the snubbed high rear end. maybe that is because you picked an image of the kappa coupe ? Lum

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #661969 12/08/2008 22:58 12/08/2008 22:58
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mad20val Unregistered M	Originally Posted by ActionHank V.A.G.??!!! How could you! hey enough of that nothing wron g with vag 5 pot engines my dads audi s6 has now done 230000 and still going strong and still got the same clutch and exhaust beleave it or not. Last edited by mad20val; 12/08/2008 23:06.

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #662367 13/08/2008 14:16 13/08/2008 14:16
A ActionHank Unregistered
ActionHank Unregistered A	Originally Posted by mad20val Originally Posted by ActionHank V.A.G.??!!! How could you! hey enough of that nothing wron g with vag 5 pot engines my dads audi s6 has now done 230000 and still going strong and still got the same clutch and exhaust beleave it or not. Hey, was only kidding man! I'm secretly a bit of a fan .... was planning to transplant a v.a.g 5 pot into my old MK1 Scirocco! It just amuses me that v.a.g slating seems to be quite a pass-time round these parts

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #662465 13/08/2008 16:10 13/08/2008 16:10
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,118 South Cambs B Barmybob Hon Club Member: 003
Barmybob Hon Club Member: 003 Je suis un Coupé B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,118 South Cambs	The Audi 5 pot is / was a fantastic and reliable motor, I took two to well over 150,000 miles. Not too sure about the 20V 4cyl VAG lump though, the internals are fine but they suffered a LOT of other failures early on in their life. Gone Audi mad!

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: Barmybob] #662573 13/08/2008 19:29 13/08/2008 19:29
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 33,794 Berlin barnacle Club Member 18 - ex-Minister without Portfolio
barnacle Club Member 18 - ex-Minister without Portfolio Forum Demigod Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 33,794 Berlin	Hmmm... my VAG 20vt engine's been fine for forty thousand, four years... the only issue it had was a leaky cam cover gasket, covered under warranty. I seem to recall an awful lot of new spark coils around 2002, though (just before mine). Don't get no respect! Coupe Fiat 1994-2000 - an owner's guide <-- clicky!

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: barnacle] #924522 26/10/2009 15:21 26/10/2009 15:21
T TheAudioGuy Unregistered
TheAudioGuy Unregistered T	someone told me fiat bought the design for the 20vt from audi and made it them self?

Re: who makes the 20v engine? [Re: ] #924525 26/10/2009 15:26 26/10/2009 15:26
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,462 Ipswich 06/08/2002 Ed My job on the forum
Ed My job on the forum Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,462 Ipswich 06/08/2002	Nope, Fiat designed from scratch. Join the club @ www.fccuk.org

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