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Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
#958677
30/12/2009 21:29
30/12/2009 21:29
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johnnybravoturbo
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Okay here it goes. I have put a small wager on my soon to be hopefully 400ish bhp Le beating a Peugeot 205 with an evo engine in it. The Pug is stock,and its running an evo engine with a Gti6 gearbox. When its ready it will be tuned to around 350ish on stock blower and internals but with stand alone management. Now i have beaten a 320 Evo on a 1/4 mile before with not much room for error using my 300bhp 20vt on a superspool.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdPLOIwXGlUThe challenge is best of 3 1/4 mile runs at the Pod.. £100 at stake. I was confident but the lad whos building it has nearly finished it and seeing it in the flesh so to speak i am getting a little nervous. July will be the setting,so conditions should be good weather wise. So please reassure me that my £100 but more importantly the pride of the Fiat will be saved.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 21:34
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MattW
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Do you know how little those things weigh?
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 21:38
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the 205 is lighter.
the bet would of been in the bag if it was on a track or a top end race.
what turbo are you and him running id try and run a faster spooling turbo or anti lag
LE53 (452BHp & 389ftlb's with Quaife) Wine red VIS FOOFY Audi RS4 B7
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 21:38
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johnnybravoturbo
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I am running a gt2871R with .86 wastegate housing and a 1bar actuator,so my power will be higher up,but once its there its there. And also i have the magic of the Flea on my side. Hes using the smaller evo standard turbo.
He has a roll cage to add weight,but thats about it. whats the diff between the 2 in weight.?
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 21:39
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MattW
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I think you should be concerned!
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 21:44
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johnnybravoturbo
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Well he is using 175 width budget rubber on 15s... i have 225 toyos. Also i was hoping my fatter side would limit wheelspin where as i cant see him ever getting the power down until 3rd maybe. And his launches are full throttle and drop the lot.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 21:47
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MattW
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If youre a better driver than him then you might have a chance, it depends just how heavy his 205 is. http://peugeot.mainspot.net/tips/205_spec.shtml
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958713
30/12/2009 21:53
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johnnybravoturbo
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WEIGHTS Pug
Kerb weight ......................740 to 935 kg*
And i believe the coupe is around the 1100 mark isnt it ???
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958715
30/12/2009 21:54
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MattW
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No, the coupe is over 1300 kg. I reckon you'll both get power down in 2nd if it's dry.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958716
30/12/2009 21:55
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alongs if you stay on boost to be honest with his pants wheels i think you should be ok.
the 205 i think will just wheel spin like you said until 3rd
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958717
30/12/2009 21:57
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johnnybravoturbo
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have you got any info on the car, would love to see a pug 205 with a evo planted in it This is strictly classified,i am not allowed to show any pics unfortunately.But customers of mine have had the odd sneak peak. He works along side me and is a very clever chap with a big engineering background.So nothing puts him off. Ontop of that hes nuts (driving) So very competitive.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
[Re: Gunzi]
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30/12/2009 22:02
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MattW
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I've been in a 200bhp 205, that felt as quick as my 300+ Coupe. Traction was amazing but it did have good tyres on it.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958720
30/12/2009 22:08
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johnnybravoturbo
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small cars always feel quick but alot of the time when there actually compared to bigger things theres no competition.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:15
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i find the coupe feels slower than it is because there more sure footed. ive been in a rs turbo that only had 210bhp and it felt very fast but put it up against mine and the kicking is bad and mines only got about 250. also the handleing is so much better
LE53 (452BHp & 389ftlb's with Quaife) Wine red VIS FOOFY Audi RS4 B7
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:20
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proccy
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sell some tickets for this, i'd come watch.....
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:23
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coupedave
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i think he will get off quicker but it will be close at the end
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:34
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MattW
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You'll have 310 bhp per ton, he'll have 400-450 per ton if he weighs 800-900kg.
It's gonna take a big difference in other factors to make that up. Your best hope is that he's added extra weight to it with the bigger engine and other stuff.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:35
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i think he will wheels spin because of the 205 being to light for the ammount of power
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:40
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coupedave
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remember though that a lot of the extra weight in his 205 will be from the engine which will be over the driven wheels, thus helping his traction. also if he runs the dampers on the back harder than the front the car won't squat down as much under heavy acceleration
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958744
30/12/2009 22:48
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johnnybravoturbo
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What should the torque be though.... I should be alot more i think.Plus the coupes do launch well., But his turbo will be better for the launch as i might as well not bother with 1st.
This isnt looking good at the moment...but no clear winner either which is good.
And lets not forget that he is using a peugeot 306 gti 6 gearbox...... oooooooooh....which isnt geared for a turbo car.... what are the issues there????
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 22:55
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coupedave
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well the fq340 evo has 325ftlbs of torque according to the stats
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
[Re: JKD]
#958749
30/12/2009 22:57
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well said JKD we all forgot about the looks
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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#958756
30/12/2009 23:07
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johnnybravoturbo
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mmm.Well im now thinking that his choice of gearbox may play a part in his defeat
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
[Re: szkom]
#958775
30/12/2009 23:39
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doug20vt
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205gti weighs 905kg in stock form, the gti-6 gearbox is very close ratio, 6th gear gives 20.7mph per 1000rpm from memory, my money would be on the peugeot purely due to its weight although that might creep up to just over a ton with the evo engine and 6 speed box, will probably all come down to traction though
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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30/12/2009 23:50
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i think it will be very close but i think if you get a good lauch you'l win because if his gear ratios being close he will have to change more meaning losing drive time when you can run it all the way to the read line with more bhp
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