as above really im in talks with ams brakes for a front set of brakes custom made for me but i dont have a spare hub and caliper to send to Keri unless someone is offering but in any cas can someone look at this PDF and adjust the measurements to the 16vt's?

http://www.keri.co.uk/wms/4P042-Punto-284mm-T20-rotated.pdf

Never mind a guy on PSC has supplied a complete hub for WMS brakes to make up a upgrade kit for the 16VT

http://www.puntosports.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=78745&page=18

Im interested in some more info though! What exactly will the upgrade include, and at what price? I suppose a larger 4pod caliper and larger discs?

cheers

dunno yet Keri is knocking up a prototype next week but there will be a 4 pot caliper wieghing less than the brembos and will have more stopping power the discs there will be a kit which will be a direct bolt on no need for larger discs or a big disc conversion.

Is this kit will fit 20v NA ?

Do some research on the 20v n/a and the 16vt. If the hubs/discs/calipers are the same than it will probably fit. IF not...then not

Interested to see more on this kit GT_SEBO, Although i dont have the cash now for it, but its a good upgrade for the future.

according to eper there different the 20n/a and the 16vt but this is down to the fact that the steering rack is different but the front calipers are the same accoring to eper so it should be fine.

im buying my kit in spring est around £400 which is a good price

any chance of aranging a group buy for this?

Im not allowed to do a group buy's but WMS are a trading company and as i believe its not subject to a GB and i will fight for good discounts as im a member of PSC with good standing, So all discounts will passed onto here for the following:

KITS

16VT
16V N/A

20VT
20V N/A

Also Keri is sorting out punto gt rear brake upgrades which are the same as the coupes and these will have the spring mechanism on the back for handbrake installation

i would like a 20v na kit, do you have a rough price yet.

how much are we talking about for the 16vT?

est around £400

cheers for the price, when will the kits be available from

Well my mate Tom on PSC is kindly supplying a full front 16vt hub but due to weather conditions a courier cant pick it up but a prototype will be made immediatly.

ill post up somemore info on the gt kit which is the same as the coupe spec's will be apart from the disc sizes obviously the coupes are bigger

look forward to it, cheers mate

Power v Piston Area:
Kit has the correct piston area (4x 1.38" diameter) to give an increase in power without dangerously affecting brake pedal travel.

Since this orignal post the brkets have been changed:
the specs have improved with lighter CNC machined, clear/grey anodised 6061 T6 aluminium brackets with tough 431 stainless inserts ("solid", not helicoil-style of course) and due to material prices etc going up the price will have changed a bit.

Kit contents: (we offer pads and lines seperately, not included in the kit)
- 2x Lightweight WMS Billet CNC machined Aluminium 4-pot racing calipers
- 2x Stainless steel CNC-machined caliper mounting brackets (These hav)
- 2x Vented 284mm x 22mm discs
- 8x High tensile bolts with washers

The lines and pads are left out of the deal due to people having there own preferences on these items but Keri does supply these

Optional Extras:
- Stainless steel 1/8NPT braided lines with teflon inners by Earls UK (AKA Goodridge) inc "straight" fittings: £30+vat/pr (NEED CHECKING ON EACH CAR!!)
- 45-deg angled fittings for caliper end of hose if needed: £15.00+vat/pr (NEED CHECKING ON EACH CAR!!)
- 90-deg angled fittings for caliper end of hose if needed: £15.00+vat/pr (NEED CHECKING ON EACH CAR!!)
- EBC Green "fast road" pads: £28.70+vat/set (we recommend Reds....)
- EBC Red "very fast road / trackday" pads: £35.37+vat/set
- EBC Yellow "full race" pads: £34.37+vat/set
- EBC Blue "endurance" pads: £37.38+vat/set
- Grooved (not drilled!) disc upgrade: £48+vat (made to order)..

im going to put the brembo upgrade on hold because these seem to offer better performance from the sounds of things. (correct me thow if im wrong)
(the brembo upgrade being putting 20vt brembos onto my 20v na) never thought the brakes on my turbo were the best anyway

yes they are a better upgrade

- Rear kits (inc Punto), while we are looking at this there are no firm plans yet. It could take the form of a big-disc kit that re-uses the existing calipers, or maybe a smaller WMS caliper plus a mechanical spot caliper+spring for the handbrake, but for the moment we need to get the front sorted out (rear kits are more than twice the work to develop than front kits!).

- Colours...black only at the moment.

- Piston sizes. The Punto and Uno take the 1.38/1.38" size (= a 6.6% increase over OEM + oversize discs), the Coupe will need the 1.62/1.75" size (= 25.8% increase over OEM, but on the OEM size disc). I ordered 6-off of each the other day so there should be stock again in a week or so (in theory!). This works out ok, the 1.381/.38 caliper on the Coupe gives a 15.7% drop in area you see, although it might be nice if there are soft pedal issues (some models of car benefit more from a harder pedal than anything else!).

- Repair kits, all service parts are available and the seals etc are the same as some other calipers making them easy to find. I don't have prices offhand as I never sell any (but it's not painful).

- Heat tollerance for track use is better as a result of 1. stainless pistons not transmitting heat to the fluid, 2. any radiated heat absorbed by the aluminium body is rapidly conducted throughout the material, cooling the hotspots, 3. higher temp rated pads are cheaper for WMS calipers than for OEM ones!!! (to be blunt!)

- Disc size, the discs ARE the Coupe 284x22 ones (in on or other of the two offsets!) - people might be able to re-use any funny grooved etc branded ones they are already running if they are in good nick. There will be future bigger kits, maybe one for the 305mm Coupe disc, depending on fitting/offsets etc.

Also in talks for a 330mm upgrade kit aswel

Thanks Steve

if these fit on a 16vt with stock rims, i would love to get my hands on a red set

Update

Keri is finishing up the prototype kit today and this will be with 300mm discs and 4 pot calipers and should fit behind the standard rims

cant wait for these to be sorted, my brakes are terrible

Would have to add that I am VERY Interested in these as an upgrade on my VIS!

Will watch this thread with interest

a video from WMS

http://vimeo.com/9987198

I thought it was time I joined up for a natter, but most importantly to point out that I'm not the driver in this video, it's a customer!

hi keri, any updates on how these upgraded brake kits are coming along, im very interested for my 20v na, cheers

Well the 16vT news is that I am looking at the kit, bolted up on a 16vT hub, and it all fits perfectly! I'll get some photos up ASAP - I have two kits for now, but can only guarantee the 16vT hub fit, and we'll need to work out brake line specs with the first buyer as I don't have a car to hand sadly.

Re the 20v n/a I suspect the offset is different, can anyone confirm? Here's the range I know of, I suspect there are three hub types (39 offset 1-pot caliper, 44 offset 1-pot, 44 offset 4-pot Brembo?):

1.8 95-96 (284x22, 39 high)
2.0i 16V 95-96(284x22, 39 high)
2.0i 20V 94-96 (284x22, 39 high)
2.0i 16V 96-01 (284x22, 39 high)

2.0i 16V Turbo 95-96 (284x22, 44 high) < My hub!

2.0i 20V Turbo 96-01 (305x28, 44 high) < Brembo

The two 1-pot types probably use exaclty the same caliper, Fiat like messing about with the offset on their hubs!

Here you go - preview!

just about to post kez

i dropped you a pm mate

Beat you! I took a few more but need to sort through them etc - also that PDF would be handy, busy busy...