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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 00:38
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szkom
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205gti weighs 905kg in stock form Is that fueled? Sure my vin plate says 700 and something kg (stock '89 1.6) I'm sure all the interior will be coming out, probably another 100kg. Still don't fancy the coupe unless the torque spread is better than the pugs
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 00:58
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doug20vt
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yeh thats the weight for a 1.9gti, i had one for years and thats the weight given in the book and also by a few mags like evo, great little car
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 02:55
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TheAudioGuy
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Iv seen a 4x4 cosworth rear engined t16 lookalike and that distroyed skylines, iv had loads of 205 Gti's and I would say if it was a track event you wouldn't stand a chance! Iv tested the 50mph into sharp right hand bends and it's a weapon, but I would agree the gti6 box is prob going to blow up, I would of uprated a 5 speed 206 gti 180 gear box as it's much quicker. I think if you do a best out of three you stand a better chance.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 09:41
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feeblebob
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Hee, hee, looking forward to the video of this. As I was reading, I was thinking that the box ratios might not be ideal for the engine's T&P curves. If the GTi6 box is short ratio, it's not going help putting the power down.
My own personal wager is that you'll both spend far more than the £100 wager itself trying to win. Petrolheads rule!
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 10:02
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rikki16vt
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1. Get some fresh semi-slick or racing slick for your coupe at least for the front, and don't put them on before hand which would alert him. Strip out the rear seats and good luck!
2. Install an electronic launch control ECU, do some testings to fine tune the setting, and hope for the best!
Have to admit that the little 205 looks to have a better spec on paper.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 15:40
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pfoe
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Launch control unit. £120. Get it mapped to handle it by Flea. That should give you an advantage in the launch stages.
Its gonna be close. I remember a MI16 having a go with me and getting destroyed in a straight line and i was only running 260ish, i know its a different engine etc but even if its not an easy win it should make it a bit in your favour.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 15:47
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rikki16vt
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Oh man, this contest is getting serious! This is going to cost you a lot more than the 100 quid beer money! Can't wait!
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 17:23
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When I get a minute I'll ask the laws of physics and see what they say Is an EVO engine much heavier than the standard 1.9 unit?
F****** b****** thing...
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 17:36
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When are you planning to go to pod?? Think this may be a good social event also!
But back to the topic at hand, this is all going to come down to traction, of be changes his mind and gets better rubber.... I think you may be shafted but if he does not I think you have a good shot of taking his money! Good luck!!
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 17:51
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Here's a video of a 205 T16 with 300BHP. Note how it lights the wheels up at 70 when it comes on boost http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNVl_o5B_kBTW not a real T16, it has a T16 engine with the FWD layout.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 18:03
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doug20vt
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i would have thought if the guys going to the effort of installing an evo engine and 6 speed box hes not going to fit budget tyres as they will be a small part of the expenditure, it will be all about traction
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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31/12/2009 20:11
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Tom_Faggio
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Did the Gti6 box come with a LSD as standard? If not, surely the Pug is just going to spin all the power away on whichever wheel breaks traction first?
If the Pug has a LSD you are going to struggle. . . .
Fingers crossed!!
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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01/01/2010 02:43
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I looking forward to it!!
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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02/01/2010 00:56
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Here's a video of a 205 T16 with 300BHP. Note how it lights the wheels up at 70 when it comes on boost smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNVl_o5B_kBTW not a real T16, it has a T16 engine with the FWD layout. He actually built a T16 205 which was the fastest front wheel drive car in britain back in the day.....And same as above the rapid acceleration isnt actually the speed but the measured wheelspin. And no the Gti6 box does not have a LSD but it renouned for its strength standard on 300+ applications. Right Heres the info, Its a Evo 6 lump running evo 8 manifolds and turbo. Custom straight through exhaust, will be using 215 slick tyres and has had the interior removed,but a rollcage in place. The bhp should deinately be around 350 with the torque near enough matched. Now dare i say that no one can actually give a clear answer. So that you lot believe me i sneaked into the workshop late one night and took some surveilance piccys. And let me tell you it was like mission impossible, However if i can beat a 300bhp 4wd evo easy enough with a very experienced track driver in a previous car running 300 bhp and 300 ibs ft torque should the weight difference really be an issue as lets face it what he gains in weight loss he will lose in traction. Now i am a little worried that my big mouth has lost me £100.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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02/01/2010 11:09
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If he's running slicks with low air pressure and you're on Toyos, then you're going to lose. Both running the same tyres you'd pip it but he'd be closing fast.
I've run data through the calculator for both cars; Pug 205 Evo; Standard 1.9GTi *tested* weight + 50kgs Data for friends 360bhp Evo 8 Slick tyres with same co-efficient of friction as Nigel's best drag strip run
60ft Time: 2.14 330ft: 5.33 1/8 Mile Time: 7.89 1/8 Mile Terminal: 99.4 1000ft: 10.04 1/4 Mile Time: 11.90 1/4 Mile Terminal: 124.7
400bhp Coop Standard weight Data predicted but based on existing car data Standard *wet weather* toyo tyres albeit low pressure
60ft Time: 2.21 330ft: 5.47 1/8 Mile Time: 8.12 1/8 Mile Terminal: 96.7 1000ft: 10.30 1/4 Mile Time: 12.23 1/4 Mile Terminal: 120.9
Can't wait to see the actual results. Where were they dyno'd?
F****** b****** thing...
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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02/01/2010 17:10
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johnnybravoturbo
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Johnny, you will be over 400bhp I have every faith in you mate. But just to be on the safe side,should i lose how about you bring yours down to wipe the smile off his face. And as for 1/4 mile times i think my last projects best time was 13.8. I would guess this one should hopefully be in the mid 12's.
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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02/01/2010 19:33
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lenzoferrari
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i can do that ...it wont be my coupe tho i would get eaten alive i dont think 220bhp will keep up it will be my mk2 vr6 turbo
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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04/01/2010 21:26
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After seeing these - Id say you would have a quick car to beat! 205 394bhp Same car Really cant comment as you dont know the bhp - but its gonna be over 300, so...... Byeeeeeee
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Re: Argument....400ish coupe Vs 205 Evo....Yes Evo.
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05/01/2010 13:44
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I'd personally think of it as a race with a modified EVO wearing Pug 205 clothes. Don't know if that makes the prospect of failure any easier to deal with though? Personally, I wonder how much of that EVO power the Pug is realistically going to put down. Lots of power & light car = wheel spin and poorer 0-100 times. I only say this because years ago I had an UT pushing a lot of power. God knows how much, as it was never rolling roaded. But on full boost, it was undriveable really. The wheels would spin in 3rd. I'd say the Coupe has a fighting chance to do this.
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