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High power on a standard head #1006922
24/03/2010 19:57
24/03/2010 19:57
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Some time over the next few weeks my coop will be going in for a little bit of a rebuild. smile
Incresing the power of my coop is all a big learning curve for me so i wanted someone to explain to me the issues of running high power on a standard head.

I currently run a 2871r with the 86 housing and
if all goes to plan i will have new forged rods, pistons and a set of new "fast road" cams .I will also have the fuel pressure increased on my current 440cc injectors, a larger maf and another remap courtesy of leighton at fc performance.

so question being, am i asking for trouble keeping the head as standard?Last thing i want is bent valves frown
Any input would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Re: High power on a standard head [Re: watz] #1006944
24/03/2010 20:15
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I would just strip it down, clean it in a chemical bath, re-lap all the valves, squash out the old oil form the tappets, check for wear etc.. basically a simple refurbishment. It shouldn't cost you more than a few quid if you do it yourself. A good head refurbishment from a local machine shop may charge around £150-£250.

IMO the STD head will be good for what your aiming for.

Re: High power on a standard head [Re: ] #1006949
24/03/2010 20:28
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Sounds like your aiming for more power than me, but I am fully forged, fast road cams and a standard head, with no problems.
Running 381bhp on an RSR.


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Re: High power on a standard head [Re: technics] #1006951
24/03/2010 20:30
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By the way, how come you are rebuilding anyway?
Also are'nt you forged at the minute?


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Re: High power on a standard head [Re: technics] #1006995
24/03/2010 21:22
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No,not forged at the moment technics.I have decided to go forged for a number of reasons.one being so i can run a little bit more boost wink
turbo j, i would happy running 420-430ish.Is their a point when it becomes necessary?

Re: High power on a standard head [Re: watz] #1007056
24/03/2010 22:10
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If you want to increase the VE then you would need headwork but it depends on how much money you want to spend. There is not really a point where you can say I need to do this as any decent headwork should give you a benefit but its where in the rpm range. You could spend hundreds to thousands on headwork so for now I would stick with a basic rebuild and see the results and if you’re in pursuit for more power you will at least have a dyno plot to help you develop the correct areas of the cylinder head you want to improve upon.

Re: High power on a standard head [Re: ] #1007077
24/03/2010 22:33
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Thats great tj.
I decided to go forged not really because i wanted more power,but simply to reduce the chance of piston damage or bending a rod.The cars pretty much at its limits now as it is.
But if i will be able to gain more power from running higher boost,i wont be one to complain. laugh

Re: High power on a standard head [Re: watz] #1007214
25/03/2010 07:30
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I managed 1.7 bar on standard internals smile


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Re: High power on a standard head [Re: Freddan72] #1007688
25/03/2010 20:54
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Freddan, Do you run that boost regularly?
How long have you had you car running that boost?


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Re: High power on a standard head [Re: technics] #1007915
26/03/2010 09:35
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I only tested it on the RR rotate. Max boost on the road is 1.4 bar. driving
During MOT I use 1 bar. Those MOT monkeys are crazy and crash cars tongue


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