Speeding

undertaking at speed too

how can that biker possibly think that's acceptable?

Seems to me that the Police gave him more than a few miles to hang him self (or her)

Out of interest, as soon as he darted off at 90mph+ why didn't the police biker pull him instead of letting it go on till double the speed limit?

It was hard to tell, I suppose its possable he did have blues and two's on and the biker just didnt see him

Unmarked police bike. Says so on the website.

Not acceptable but at the same time it would appear the police bike was toying with the motorcyclist. He pulled in to let the unmarked bike by and it just hung around in the outside lane.

because most bikers dont think the rules of the road apply to them

so the biker should be done for racing too then?im happy with that,make it a 2 year ban

TBH, 140mph for that kind of bike is easy - look at how quick it went from 70 to 120+ - 140mph is just a few seconds and the bike would have been capable of much more

There was nothing in that video that was hugely stupid - OK, undertaking isn't clever, but we've all done it, especially when you've got a myopic car driver dawdling in the outside lane with nothing in the inside lane. Pulling the wheelie probably didn't help either, but the rider was clearly in full control at all times and its not like the road was busy

All this sounds like I'm condoning silly speeds - I suppose I am to an extent, but I'm a very firm believer in doing my speeding where its appropriate (ie deserted roads, clear view, no turnings, no buildings).

Biker boy was just a bit unlucky to be tailed by an unmarked bike - they are very rare, so he probably just thought he had someone else who fancied a bit of cobweb-clearing

Lucky to get off with just a ban though

I drove on that road tonight! That is coming out of Maidstone, leading to Bluebell Hill. The road off the last round-about is a 50 zone, until he goes under a series a bridges (the M20) where it then goes to NSL.

Mental, there are often camera vans on those bridges.

by Nigel, that's the point, at no stage does 140 on a public road become "appropriate"

you must live on a different planet to the rest of us then nigel

in terms of driving ability i think that's a fair assumption...... in all honesty i think most folks with fast cars/bikes have done it at some point

I wonder what was in his rucksack?

I came across a group of bikers driving like that on the way to Donnington. I overtook them and let them get on with it

TBH I don't see what all the fuss is about, the guy was speeding, got caught, and received an appropriate ban.

Undertaking can be riskyand worth a nick but it's poor lane discipline by the motorist which triggered it.

Most motorists have no concept of the speed, handling and braking ability of modern performance motorbikes.

I sold my bike before I lost my license, as remaining within the speed limits became very testing!

Accelerating off a roundabout onto dual carriage way and going up through the gears without pushing it would see speeds of 70mph 2nd gear, 100mph 3rd, 130mph 4th and that's with 2 gears to go!

Following a car at 50mph and going to overtake would see me changing down at least 3 gears and making sure I didn't plant myself in the back of the car in front.

How? It's not illegal because it's not technically possible.

Just to add, I'm not condoning it and agree, it is risky.

Beast - I can't remember if you're a biker or not - I suspect not, because any biker that's ever ridden a fast bike will know that 140 is just so easy to achieve.

Most car drivers simply have zero comprehension of how capable a modern bike is - tyres are monstrously sticky, brakes are capable of standing the bike on its front wheel and the acceleration is beyond the vast majority of supercars (An R1 will do 0-100 in less than six seconds and on to a quarter in around 10 seconds, for comparison, that's roughly equivalent to a Veyron, which costs about 100 times as much)

I accept that 140 on a public road deserves a ban, but I also stand by my comment that on a fast bike, in the right circumstances, its not dangerous - in fact its trivially easy

Hell, I've had fast bikes and done the same - does this mean I should be hung/drawn and quartered?

Next.....

I agree with Nigel here - no kiddies to hit, junctions etc. All he's done is undertake a few cars in the wrong lane, with allowing a decent amount of space to do so. If he comes off the bike then it's likely he'll only damage himself.

If you are going to undertake, then you are going to do it quickly as you can - you can be sure the car driver in the wrong lane can't use their mirrors - on a sports bike that little squirt of throttle at 80mph does quite a lot...and it takes a while to coast down.

Anyone seen that video on youtube with the modded 20VT having a controlled race with a R6? The coop beats it hands down. Amazing...


Disclaimer
But dangerous, never try this at home, keep to the rules and regulations of the UK government at all time, know your braking distances (even though they are wrong). Never encourage bad behaviour, be friendly and curtious at all time.

Patch234 does not agree with any wrong doing, nor does he actively seek to do wrong. I always drive at the legal speed limit where-ever I go. The 300 bhp engine installed in my car is for discussion purposes only. 20 is plenty

LOL - R6 not trying perhaps?

how is that fair as you have never seen me drive.
way you say it someone like lewis hamilton should be allowed to frive whatever speed he likes then?

what we need in the UK is an Autobahn, somewhere that this is acceptable where it is effectivly under a set environment ie, few corners, humps, bumps and granny crossings.

It would at least take the 140mph of the unsafer roads to another place.

statistics show that on the Autobahn on areas with no speed limits there is no increase in accidents (taken from varios websites all stating the same thing)....



It will never happen though and i'm just wishing.

I agree with Nigel, until you've owned a bike, you don't realise or understand the diference and how quick the speedo snaps round the clock.

I bet in fact that 99% of people on here have hit 100mph at some point (espically in the coupe) which is of couse an instant ban.
140mph really isn't that much on those sort of roads.

I do agree to the ban but think thats its another case of 140mph....... O no, when in fact its just because he got caught.

I really can't believe this, how can 140 be justified.

The bike does it quickly, yes. If you can't handle keeping a fast bike to a reasonable speed, buy a slower bike. Yes, the car driving is poor in the clip, but this is no excuse. I agree that bikers are killed because people don't see them and with examples like this you can see why, people aren't expecting to be passed at double speed on the inside.

The roads are not designed for this speed, the corners aren't the tarmac isn't, even on motorways.

He was not cruising at 140....that was peak speed. i'm not justifying it, but it that video the only person at risk was the biker himself, not a bunch of kids crossing the road outside a school. i would be far more worried if he had been overtaking doing 50 in a 30 limit pulling a wheelie down the local high street - and there are plenty of bikers that do that kind of thing, those are the ones that should end up in court.

I'd rather go past a dawdling car in the wrong lane at speed than hang about in it's blind spot crawling past at 80 or flash my lights for ten minutes behind it. I've been known to pass on the inside of idiots when in a quick car - when i have I dont do it slowly.

Lane discipline is VERY poor in the UK - I'd like to see more people given points for hogging the fast lane on the spot.

Absolutely - though that's possibly one of the reasons that so many car/bike incidents occur. My brother learned pretty quickly that other cars totally misjudged how quick his Caterham would reach them from a standing start.

Equally, I'm also pretty sure that many bikers overestimate their capabilities and that of their machines. We're already back into the season of several bikers a week killing themselves up here. Great for people waiting for donated organs - less good for the Police, fire brigade, ambulances, relatives and innocent 3rd parties.

based on the fact nigel has won more than one handling competition in his car, based on what i've seen at curborough of his driving and based on the fact he handles on a daily basis a very powerful car at good speeds without issue.

with regard to hamilton, in some enlightened countries he can

Here we go - CIick

The way i see it is the un-marked Police biker is also riding dangerously, as he had no sirens or blue lights on for the whole episode, so therefore he committed the same offence for not stopping him straight away and allowing the biker to continue.

Can't you, really? Let me remind you ... Beast isn't a biker. Indeed in dozens of threads he's demonstrated an almost pathological hatred of bikes and bikers.

Normally when we gets going he has a little rant about bikers not obeying the rules of the road by speeding / undertaking / filtering through traffic.

I'm not suggesting that he's predictable on this issue, but I suspect his replies in this thread are just cut and pasted from earlier discussions.

Ah yes, I remember now - thanks Andrew.

Anonymous suggestion going to The Outlaws for the location of their next AGM then....

have i shown any hatred towards bikers in this thread(so far)?im trying to cut down

i have a mate who has has an f430,a sagarris,a tuscan and im a far better driver than he is and he has done some amateur racing so honestly fella it means nothing at all

Cut and paste failure, there.

If we are going to play with willies and pointy sticks, can we at least all play nicely.

Um, we are ... aren't we? I merely assumed that, as Beast's last reply was a complete non-sequitur, he'd cut and pasted from the wrong post.

Can't someone lock this now pointless thread?

We were going to, but now as someone has asked us to we won't as we don't want to be seen bowing to public pressure

Just ignore it, its run its course anyway, until Beast wakes up again and pops back in

Then please assume, with no less conviction, that my failure to realise you were being a helpful, little bunny grieves me.

Wow it never fails to surprise me the arrogance of bikers when they ride like this .

It's not arrogance in my view, just stupidity and taking a chance that they won't get caught. I've seen equal numbers of car drivers doing the same (and may, on occasion, have been guilty of some speeding - perhaps not this excessive - myself).

For what it's worth, I didn't see a lot of "dangerous" riding on that video - other than massively excessive speed, of course. That's not to say it's acceptable, of course, but let's not go crazy.

There's hardly an issue: he was exceeding the speed limit, got caught, end of story. The circumstances are immaterial; it's a binary offence.

Under taking at high speed and wheelies from the roundabout pass another biker is enought for me . There will always be some idiots who drive or ride like this .

+1

I watch that video and see one Ford Focus hogging the outside lane, then another car (Renault Scenic is it?) doing the same, and finally the SAAB moves over too close to the car in front, indicating too late for my liking. Other than that, I don't see the problem. The ridiculous speed limits in this country have produced a nation of cissys when it comes to speed.



This is a limit that was introduced for cars made in the 60's for cars that were built in the 60's. NCAP ratings? ABS? Stability control? Cross ply tyres?

Breaking the law, is breaking the law and should be punishable, but for god's sake, let's not spout off about dangerous driving. This guy put the hammer down twice for what, 5 seconds? This bike is built to handle 40mph more than that.

yes. speed limits came into force due to inadequate cars. My dad's Jag at that time had an oval disk with "Disks" (or something like) to warn other drivers that the car would stop quicker than they expected.

As to the usual vitriol from the usual non motorcyclists, I have given up explaining and accept they are too dumb to get it.

The comment below somes it up really
"i have a mate who has has an f430,a sagarris,a tuscan and im a far better driver than he is and he has done some amateur racing"

The sad thing is he probably believes its true............

All that said the motorcyclist was going too fast for the conditions, what would have happened if our driving expert was on he same bit of road? I dread to think

Exactly, I was agreeing with other (sensible) posts on this thread - this isn't a "bikers are a disgrace" issue, some guy was speeding. That's it.

39s into that video. Look at where he drops the front wheel after pulling that wheelie. It's really close to the Focus. If the person in the Focus stood on the brakes, the Biker would have had no chance.

I think the problem isn't so much the biker doing 140mph but the issue of undertaking and trusting other road users.

It's like today, I couldn't trust a woman in a VW POLO at 20-30mph because she was breaking randomly and going round sharp corners avoiding the curb so much, she would go over her lane and over the white lines. Image her doing this on a motorway at Kent with a biker approaching her at 140......

You also got the issue of a group of bikers/drivers following suit thinking if he can do then so can I. You then got a group of people driving all over the place and it won't be long till someone kills.

I'm not innocent on a empty part of the motorway myself sometimes I go over 70. Like many, I've witness as a passenger speeds much bigger than 140mph due to the person wanting to test there 600+ bhp machines.

I think you should reward good driving, if injuries or death is down over one year then up it 80mph then 90mph and consider 100mph but if one year we have too much wreckless driving or deaths then start reducing it with 70mph being the minimum.

You dont trust other road users - that's why when you overtake on a bike (or undertake for that matter) you do it quickly - it's safer!!!

Yeah but sometimes the odd driver panics and you can see this when they change lanes randomly either away from you causing an accident with another driver/biker or towards you which could knock you off or contact in a car.



I'd rather not play Die Hard avoiding people at 70mph+ at the risk of getting knocked down due to someone else's stupidity

I've only just seen this, but I don't think the guy would have gone to these speeds, on this occasion, if he didn't think the other (police) bike was up for it. He should have got pulled at the point he slowed down (1min, 20-ish) after that the police bike became a party to it. That would have put him at 101mph, straight ban point and no further risk to anyone on the road.

yeah i agree with that tbh - why risk it?

There is no excuse for 140mph on our roads imo, esp when there is ANYONE else on it.

I try to be aware of my surroundings but a bike "squeezing" past me on the inside going twice my speed whilst i am overtaking another car i am not likely to be expecting.
(i do not lane hog but i do keep my distance of other vehicles which includes not driving on their bumpers and pulling out in advance of overtaking them)***

I do agree middle/fast lane hoggers need to be punished too but that is another argument.

I write this totally fearful of the fact that i love speed and on dual carrageways/motorways/pretty much everywhere that isnt a built up 30 i drive over the speed limit.

I have been lucky so far but at some point my luck will probably run out. My car, even more so than my old fiat coupe, just feels so much more solid at speed, and stops so much more quickly that i feel so so confident at speed, and it is just too enjoyable to stick to 70.

BUT that doesn't mean i cant have a blowout, hit some oil or something or have a random guy pull out on me at last min if i am overtaking, or basically just make a mistake, even a good driver can make bad calls (and i am not even claiming to be a "good" driver).


i think the punishment in this instance was fair BUT the copper should be done for incitement as well. the speed would have been far less had the copper of pulled the bike at word go.

Even IF the speed limit was upped (never going to happen though i would be for it) it is never going to go anywhere even close to 140mph so to to use 70mph is a silly limit as an excuse is weak imo.

so in short, i am not going to be holier than though and accuse the biker of being a nutter and deserving what he gets, but, at the end of the day when anyone goes at that speed there is always the risk of getting caught.

***I have not seen the vid as it crashes my browser so just going on what i read here

i dont follow

With regards to people saying the biker will only hurt themselves if they come off at those speeds in those condition and surroundings, clearly you've not seen the damage a 600kg bike does when it's launched into the front of an oncoming car. Lets just say the driver and the kids in the back didn't see the damage either. I'll see if I can find some pictures.

I also don't understand why the police (I'm not saying they did on this occasion as there's no sound or any way of telling if he's blues were on) let incidents like this carry on way beyond the time an offence has occurred.

Can I see a picture of a 600kg bike please? Especially one which will do 140mph?

Here you go:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/boxxbanger1/car%20pics/Bikes/lol20fat20girl2029645192.jpg

I think he was just unlucky, after being pillion on an R1 at 173 clicks i can understand how tempting it is to do those kinds of speeds on a bike when the roads are clear.

If anything the ban will make him too paranoid to risk his own life again in the pursuit of speed, as he was the one most at risk from other motorists at those speeds than anyone else on the road.

The only bikers i think are truly dangerous are the idiots who filter through slow moving heavy traffic at 70mph, if i hit them i have their life on my conscience and they are going to write off my car which is a particular inconvenience.

The police biker should have pulled him the minute he went over 100 instead of greatly enjoying the chance of having a blat himself.