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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1108339
28/09/2010 21:09
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I want ABS (......enventually)

the fronts are coupe all out, arms, hubs, struts, shafts, calipers. the coupe ABS sensors are on the front, they physically fit the bravo module, but arent compatible frown

the rears are bravo arms (which are the same), hubs and sensors, coupe calipers, struts, springs, ARB.

i cant fit the rear coupe hubs with the bravo sensors, and i dont have any coupe rear sensors.

i supose i could fit the coupe hub without any sensors, until i get a compatible ABS module and rear sonsors

i need to find a (or which) coupe ABS module will be compatible with my donors ecu? anyone know how?

are all the ABS units interchangable? are all sensors interchangable?

anyone know?

Ninja

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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1108874
29/09/2010 17:42
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Your car has a factory-installed ABS? If your Bravo is MK1 (like mine) and has factory-installed ABS, he is Teves. Coupe is fitted Bosch ABS system! I hope I'm not mistaken, but Coupe and Bravo sensors had different ohmic resistance! If you want I can measure (Saturday) the resistance of the sensors on Bravo? In my case, ABS system works beautifully with sensors from Bravo( I kept the original Teves system). My car runs one year with Bravo hubs, and now with Coupe hubs fitted with my old original ABS sensors from Bravo. Rear'm not doing anything (my Bravo is HGT ) and I have no idea what the difference between Coupe and Bravo.

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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: kaci] #1109281
30/09/2010 11:18
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Cheers Kaci,

Yes, it has factory ABS, but mine is a MK1 1.8HLX, which i think is where the problem lies, the HGT and coupe use the same ABS setup? (calling JBT, Turbo J, can anyone confirm?)
were your hubs the same? cause mine are different!

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unfortunately the coupe sensors are not compatible with the 1.8 bravo module, and the bravo sensors wont fit the coupe hubs.
so if i want ABS i think i need;
a coupe module,
coupe rear sensors and use the coupe rear hub (already have coupe front hub, shafts and ABS sensor)
and possibly the coupe ancillary wiring loom? (if the bravo one doesnt fit the coupe module)

Damn ABS!!!!!

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1109442
30/09/2010 17:38
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Bravo on TurboJ is a MK2 and his system might be like the Coupe (Bosch 5.3)! Our system (MK1) is Teves. Maybe ABS sensor of 1.8 are longer than my (HGT and Coupe). If the weather is not very cold will dismantle one of my sensors will measure the dimensions! Then you can compare them with the dimensions of your sensors. I do not like this system(ABS) and if I were you, would ever waste my time with it!


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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: kaci] #1109453
30/09/2010 17:58
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give me yours then tongue

not sure i would like 300+bhp and no ABS (if just for safety) the car will mainly be used for track use when i'm done.

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1109466
30/09/2010 18:17
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Do you really know what ABS is for?

Mine is Mk2 HGT. I have no idea which ABS ECU I have all I know is the sensors don't line up.

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1109516
30/09/2010 19:30
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line up in what way?

you can see in this picture the way the bravo sensor comes through the arm and is parallel with the ABS notches

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and in this you can see the difference between the coupe hub (in the disc) and the bravo hub

click to enlarge

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1109635
01/10/2010 00:16
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Mine don't line up because I'm using Bravo hubs and coupe driveshafts. Yours line up fine. Why bother? You don't want ABS for a track day car.

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1109969
01/10/2010 17:34
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Originally Posted By: TurboJ
You don't want ABS for a track day car.


i dont need, but i want smile

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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1110184
02/10/2010 16:26
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It will slow you down and not in that sense. You need to fell the brakes bite and lock up in order to become a better driver ABS will get in the way. It's for road safety NOT track use.

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1110310
02/10/2010 21:34
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that is a good arguement (damn you!)

i'd like to get it to work, but i think i'll drop it down the priority list though.

if i do get it to work, can i disable it freely? ie remove a fuse, for on track use.

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1110314
02/10/2010 22:03
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Yes i supose you could do that.

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1111549
05/10/2010 16:17
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Hi Ninja. On Saturday and Sunday was very cold and raining and I could not dismount and measure one of my ABS sensors. I spoke with a friend who has a Bravo 1.8 GT and its sensor (front) looks quite different from mine. There was nothing to measure it, but is much thinner than mine! Can you orient the picture that your sensor like this(1.8GT) click to enlarge ?


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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: kaci] #1111641
05/10/2010 20:19
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cheers for that Kaci,

looking at that photo, the sensors i removed from my bravo (1.8hlx) are different.

how my bravo, your bravo and the coupe ones all compare i dont know.

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1133290
20/11/2010 17:11
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Hi Ninja. Sorry to be delayed with the promised information but ......
I was able to describe or photograph only their front ABS sensors. The rear can not be dismantled healthy (risking to destroy them-sorry). I hope I helped with something! Once again - sorry for the delay!
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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: kaci] #1137154
28/11/2010 15:50
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thanks for that kaci,

Rear sonsor from coupe click to enlarge click to enlarge

the coupe sensors are perpendicular to the notches on the coupe rear hub,

the bravo sensors are parallel to the notched on the bravo rear hub (pis as per above)

it looks like becuase the HGT shares the same front drive shafts and rear disc setup as the coupe they are compatible with the coupe parts, but the 1.8 front shafts are diferent and the rear is a hub setup, so its sensors wont phyiscally match the coupe abs notches on the hub/shaft frown


the sensors being interchangable with the abs module is still unknown to me becuase the front coupe sensors(currently fitted) do not line up with the 1.8 drive shaft, so until i change the drive shafts i wont know if the ABS error lights goes out??

If it does not, then i will try the 1.8 sonsors in the coupe hubs with coupe shafts (but i'm not too optimistic)

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1155171
11/01/2011 17:32
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any pics of the engine built yet ? i like this! im currently searching for a block to fit into my brava 1.6 elx smile

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1155538
12/01/2011 13:48
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JBT is still working on the engine, he may have some pictures, not sure??

Otherwise, i'm expecting the bottom end back 2nd week in feb, I'll take some pictures as soon as......

Ninja


Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1155662
12/01/2011 19:03
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ahh cool! you see im looking to fit a 20vt into my brava.
Ive done engine conversions before luckily
I'm just a little skeptical on this one especially when it comes to ancillaries?
any idea how yours is going pan out for the power steering pump etc smile

Michael

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1155919
13/01/2011 11:47
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power steering wise (the plan is..)

Coupe pump
bravo reservoir
Coupe steering rack/track rods (although the cores are the same apart from the bravo has a bracket for the gear selctor rods, so i may just cut that off as the coupe uses cable!)

No aircon, so no need to worry about that, and i've given up on the ABS for now as per above lol

everything else is a case of wiring.....

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1156121
13/01/2011 20:14
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Originally Posted By: ninja
JBT is still working on the engine, he may have some pictures, not sure??

Otherwise, i'm expecting the bottom end back 2nd week in feb, I'll take some pictures as soon as......

Ninja



Al parts with me now.
Will start this middle of next week.
So still on target for Feb

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1156129
13/01/2011 20:23
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Gonna be busy boyo!!

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1159686
20/01/2011 23:11
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Rods matched to size for caps.
Pistons fitted with new rings
Bores honed
New under piston jets,going to check crank and mains in depth next week.
Checking oil pump tomorrow.

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1285116
30/10/2011 19:20
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Have you put a new cam sensor on? Looking good.

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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1285155
30/10/2011 20:45
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Great to see this coming along mate. Been along time coming.


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Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1285344
31/10/2011 12:52
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It has.... if you consider it like the hare and the tortiose, well they both passed me along time ago lol

my new job does not allow me much time to mess during the week anymore, and i did not want to start stripping the car until i was happy with engine assembly.

it also been a massive learning curve along the way smile
in hindsight it would have been so much simpler if i had started with a pre-98 HGT, but then again i have uprated all the parts that would have been standard on the HGT anyway.

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1285515
31/10/2011 21:05
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Plug near the strut is for the cam variator.
Its loom travels through the bulkhead on the coupe and goes to the fuse box and is controlled by a relay and also the ecu.

Its not essential that its in place but it causes a bit of lag if its not so best to have it wired up.Not to mention the management light will be on.
The variator uses the engines oil pressure and opens a solenoid to activate the variator by oil displacement in rotation.

It wont stop the car from starting if its not plugged in so you can tackle it at a later date if needed.
I might have that piece of loom if you drop me a text tomorrow i will take a look.

The fan also is controlled by the ecu.


The 4 pin plug near the battery is for the code system.The other is the O2 sensor.

Bury your head in wiring diagrams for a few hours to figure out the routing fella.Thats what i had to do.

Hope this helps

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1285652
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Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo


Bury your head in wiring diagrams for a few hours to figure out the routing fella.Thats what i had to do.

Hope this helps


Guess thats my weekend sorted then.....

cheers john

Ninja

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1291537
23/11/2011 14:54
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You have to use coupe fan mate but they are a little tight.
Non ac fans work well.

Re: Bravo 20vt Project Discussion Thread [Re: ] #1294903
06/12/2011 08:47
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Congratulations on your success, Rich.
Weekends have been pretty good for all Bravo 20VT.
Engine in my Bravo also starts successfully on Sunday after a year and a half yipee
I'm glad for you thumb


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