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MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs #1128025
09/11/2010 21:17
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Has anyone else heard about this? Anyone know if there is any truth to it?

http://wrecks2riches.co.uk/2010/10/2011-changes-to-mot/

It talks about aftermarket HIDs being specifically examined for (and failed), as well as chipped ECUs (how will they establish that?)

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128028
09/11/2010 21:28
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Air bag light, was that aimed only for the coupè...

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128034
09/11/2010 21:36
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even if it is, and i would imagine so, easy to see if a car has been chipped, why would that be a mot fail?

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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128035
09/11/2010 21:37
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I reckon it might be rubbish. The airbag light has always been a fail and HID's are already a fail.

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: szkom] #1128039
09/11/2010 21:42
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Airbag is not a fail. Hids is a grey area and will fail if no auto adjuster IIRC.

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: szkom] #1128040
09/11/2010 21:43
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I passed my mot with the airbag light on laugh

(Oh its not a fail if its on, there's me thinking I found a mot guy who's slighty blind)

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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128042
09/11/2010 21:48
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Airbag warning is now going to be a MOT failure. shocked

i'm doomed ... although as this safety 'feature' isn't on all cars, I don't see how a car can fail a MOT just because it isn't working. How would they know if you just took the warning bulb out.

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128045
09/11/2010 21:52
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Originally Posted By: duncan78
Airbag warning is now going to be a MOT failure. shocked

i'm doomed ...


nah dont worry duncan, just get yourself some black insulation tape and...

wink

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128048
09/11/2010 21:56
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This seriously annoys me furious

Guess we will see in Dec 2011 exactly what happens.

Damn italian electrics

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128050
09/11/2010 22:01
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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: whatmoretyres] #1128053
09/11/2010 22:11
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So what's the point in having an option to turn your airbag off then? Seeing as some coupe models have a key in the glove box to turn the passenger side off.

I hope this is BS!

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: whatmoretyres] #1128055
09/11/2010 22:16
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I have hids in mine,thinking i should change back for the mot. Shame as they work great in the coupe. Has anyone passed an mot with hids recently,or been stopped?

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128057
09/11/2010 22:22
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No-ones failed an MOT with HIDs are far as I know

*waits to be proved wrong*!


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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: whatmoretyres] #1128060
09/11/2010 22:30
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I've had my coop MOT'd with HIDS in, no problem, even though it is technically illegal (I think?!) due to no washers/adjustment or something nanny-state gibberish.

What's worse is the retro fitted HIDs done in reflector headlights, they do dazzle. The coop has projector style so not a issue.

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128079
10/11/2010 00:11
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mine passed with Ebay "specials" that I had disconnected the height adjuster for.

I've since fitted better ones (the old ones died) and have reconnected the height adjuster with no issues so far.

Surely if the headlights are adjusted properly so as to stop dazzling other drivers there is no issue?
Or is that common sense failing in the eye of the beaurocrat? (sp?)

Paul

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128088
10/11/2010 00:44
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Looks like a load of old b*ll**ks to me. MOT fail for chipping the ECU. Is it April fool's yet? rolleyes



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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1128109
10/11/2010 07:31
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Looks like any modded Coupe will have to be reverted to standard at MOT time... ooo keep the original bits safe laugh !

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128110
10/11/2010 08:07
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Never heard any of those changes mentioned but I've got a seminar coming up in February so I'll see what VOSA brings up then.

The only things I have read is that the battery is coming into the test and they're looking at reading the ECU's for emission data (which won't affect us due to our cars being too old thumb ) .

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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: Baz76] #1128120
10/11/2010 10:06
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so if they do bring in this rule about reading the ecu, would thid mean chiping/live map a newer car illegal?


Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ikon] #1128124
10/11/2010 10:14
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Asked my old man who is a qualified MOT Tester and he hasnt heard anything about this either....

Unless it comes from VOSA its just BS IMO smile


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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: MarioCirillo] #1128145
10/11/2010 11:19
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I do hope it is BS ... since, by definition, the ECU in my Westie is chipped laugh


That Pistonheads thread makes interesting reading though. It does look like there might be something on their radar (in terms of trying to align European rules)


Originally Posted By: cbcbcb on Pistonheads
It's mentioned in the "Matters of testing" MOT testers' newsletter, issue 48.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/publications/newsletter...

It says

Originally Posted By: newsletter
Other items – such as headlamp
bulb and unit incompatibility,
headlamp levelling devices and
illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need
further thought before we can get
a workable solution for MOT
stations.

Referring to the EU directive in question: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?...

Section 6.1.9 lists

Originally Posted By: EU
6.1.9. Engine performance - Visual inspection - (a) Control unit illegal modified (b) illegal engine modification

Looks like it is coming, but even VOSA don't know how to police it.

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128146
10/11/2010 11:30
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Headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility would scupper hids for coupes, nobody's going to get a headlamp certified for a 15 yr old car frown

I only got hids the other day too, still, will maybe get a years use out of them before I'm forced back to night breakers.

Might even persuade me to buy new headlight units smile

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128153
10/11/2010 11:54
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my mot is due in feburary if this does come into play i will have to remove my hid's frown


Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ikon] #1128157
10/11/2010 12:06
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Originally Posted By: ikon
my mot is due in feburary if this does come into play i will have to remove my hid's frown




Nope, because it's not due to come in until Sept/Oct 2011 at least.

I have my own views on this, unfortunately to safeguard my pension, I'd better keep my gob shut, but some of it won't affect us, the ECU stuff for example, but the HiDs, well, just think about the already illegal decats...... wink

Wooosh! What was that? shocked Oh, that was my pension being pulled from underneath me! frown

Doh! blush


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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128187
10/11/2010 13:05
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Originally Posted By: billa_20vt
I have hids in mine,thinking i should change back for the mot. Shame as they work great in the coupe. Has anyone passed an mot with hids recently,or been stopped?


I got an MOT last week with HIDs, they are still fine.
I wonder if there will be a new failure "Inactive Ballast lurking suspiciously close to the headlight area"

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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: stan] #1128191
10/11/2010 13:09
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ah good smile so thats atleast one more year of being able to see in the dark. hmmmm but wont hid's be easier to spot than decats??


Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ikon] #1128214
10/11/2010 13:42
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Not if you are using an exhaust gas analyser, which of course the MOT tester should be....

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128342
10/11/2010 16:54
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Damn it - I'm going to fit my HIDs (which have been sitting boxed up in the boot for weeks) regardless. Picking my son up from school and driving home down the country lanes is hazardous with the OE lamps ooo . I will fit my Night Breakers in the main beams as well.

May try to get an MOT next week first though laugh ,

Tim

Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: ] #1128355
10/11/2010 17:33
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Here is the FULL Article
Make your own minds up smile

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I think they need to define Illegal Chippin before we jump to conclusions. Otherwise what they are saying is a ban on Modified Cars... which realistically isnt going to happen!

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Re: MOT changes? HIDS and chipped ECUs [Re: MarioCirillo] #1128399
10/11/2010 19:03
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Thanks Mario thumb

From that it sounds like they've still got a lot of work to do before deciding how to implement the new Directive. Hopefully it'll cause no problems, but it is something we need to keep our eyes on.

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