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The magical 300, Supporting mods? #1135513
25/11/2010 08:56
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Rather than pester Flea constantly, as the guy's surely busy, I'll post here. My standard turbo is smoking badly after a flea-map and decat, so rather than replace with standard, I've bought a stage three hybrid, which (with the supporting mods) Can reach 310-320BHP (and probably more) Here's what I've got so far, and I'll list what I think I'll need, but if you think I've got it wrong please tell me.

So far...

Hybrid Turbo
FMIC and pipe work
SIP, Forge recirc with extra hoses needed + filter

What I need (what I think I need)

Fuel voltage Mod
Uprated fuel pump?
Uprated Fuel pressure regulator?

I know a 3" downpipe and even full 3" from the turbo-back is preferable, but Clee (previously owned the turbo I have now) made 307BHP with standard downpipe and the cat in place so I'll be leaving it as it is (standard DP, Decat and 2.25" system)

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Which fuel pump will I need? I remember the Walbro 255LPH was mentioned a lot in the past, is this still the one to go for? Finally, is it normal to fit an uprated FPR or will the standard one be okay? which one will I need? Have I missed anything out? Don't mention a Flea map, that goes without saying laugh Thanks all!



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1135521
25/11/2010 09:45
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IIRC an uprated FPR is not essential at that sort of power level, but if you do a search you should find confirmation of that. You probably ought to get uprated spark plugs too if you don't have them already (BKUR7ET) and have you checked compression too? And what's your radiator like?


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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: DaveG] #1135525
25/11/2010 10:03
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The fuel pump is not required. A voltage mod and remap should be all you need.

Flea stocks the FPR's should you need one on the day.

Your exhaust is fine, you'll see 300bhp no problems on a 62 trim turbo.

Definitely take Daves advice and get it compression tested before though.

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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: Rog20VT] #1135549
25/11/2010 10:40
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boost control? prv or ebc?

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1135680
25/11/2010 13:12
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It feels like lights years away when I first dabbled in the mods, but do you have a budget in mind?

Running in high power may require updating other aspects such as

- better brakes and discs
- better lighting, such as going to HIDs..Try driving faster on these winter roads at night..!
- Uprated Clutch
- Dump Valve
- Manifold state? Maybe heat treated and skimmed?

These are just options to consider, after my own experience going from several hundred to several thousand.

In my opinion only, having more power is fab, having it reliably and on a stable platform is another matter.

;-)

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1135824
25/11/2010 17:02
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Thanks for the replies! I'm running the NGK 7's since I had her remapped. Compression - JBT said mine's a strong engine, I think there was a 7psi difference between the lowest cylinder and the highest, 155 to 160-odd across all five. Manifold is fine, Radiator replaced in May, along with clutch. She's ready for the power, captain! Had new brakes last year, but I'll probably fit some pagid pads for a bit more stopping power. The car basically had a BIG overhaul six months ago and it's fine fettle mechanically.



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1135856
25/11/2010 17:46
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sounds like your way to go mate but the 62 trim will more likely give you near 350..even with standard d/p and exhaust.. of course it makes a little difference but not as much as most think.. especially with the smaller hybrids..itll be a nice fast quick spooling car ..if only i had stayed with that myself i wouldn't now be aproaching christmas with a farthing and a tangerine...when are you taking the plunge?

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1135883
25/11/2010 18:27
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laugh Hoping to put it all together after the new year, get that out the way first, and take the long trip to Uncle Flea's pad the month after, so Feb-ish.



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1136565
26/11/2010 21:52
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Make yourself ready to spend a lot of money bud! When I got my coupe, it was doing around 290bhp with a t28 hybrid turbo and all supporting mods. I then had a gt28rs fitted along with a new exhaust and a magnatude of other work to make sure the car will be reliable(and a Flea map of course). Nearly £3k later, and it's now doing 343bhp.

It's worth every penny though!!

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1136643
27/11/2010 01:50
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Actually, I intend to reach 300 by spending as little as possible! Modding on a shoestring? you bet laugh NO corners will be cut, but I'm confident I can get there for under 1K cool If I make it I'll do a post in tuning with a breakdown and how I saved money.



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1136655
27/11/2010 02:43
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know someone with a stage 3 for sale newly done and i have a turbo technics stage 3 second hand low miles unit

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1136664
27/11/2010 03:19
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So do I. Do I win a prize?!



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1136855
27/11/2010 18:12
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Just for being on the safe side I think you need to add a 3.8 bar fpr.


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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: Freddan72] #1136869
27/11/2010 19:14
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Will be interesting to see what flea can get. Gotta take mine again, turbo's smoking, good excuse to upgrade. Look forward to the trip down, added bonus no gf this time smile

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1136896
27/11/2010 20:56
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Originally Posted by ktm450exc
sounds like your way to go mate but the 62 trim will more likely give you near 350..even with standard d/p and exhaust.. of course it makes a little difference but not as much as most think.. especially with the smaller hybrids..itll be a nice fast quick spooling car ..if only i had stayed with that myself i wouldn't now be aproaching christmas with a farthing and a tangerine...when are you taking the plunge?


I disagree - 350 is the upper limit on that turbo, on a setup that is free flowing.

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1136902
27/11/2010 21:03
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pinin - if you are on a stock clutch (i think you are) then dont push the boost too much when mapping, it wont take the extra torque that that hybrid can dish out.

Getting the fuel in can be a bit of a lottery - some cars need a new pump, some dont - for 300bhp you should be OK. However to run closer to 350bhp you will need a pump that can flow more than the stock one. If you uprate the pump then do the voltage mod - it will draw more current than the stock pump... as Rog says if Flea is having trouble getting enough fuel in when mapping the car then its an easy job to change the FPR.

I would stick to the exhaust setup that you have, drop in the turbo and go for 1.1 / 1.2 bar - that should see you at 300bhp (fly) and should also be reliable enough.

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1136931
27/11/2010 22:53
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i meant i have them for sale in case anyone wants one..and walbro pump and helix paddle in case you need them..

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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1136936
27/11/2010 23:16
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You wont need a paddle clutch for 350bhp - but a stock one will die very quickly, and there is little point taking a car for mapping at that level and bringing along a clutch in case it slips...you wont be able to change it and carry on with mapping on the day.

As pinin has a newish clutch running 300-320 bhp through it should be fine - more is pushing it. I'm sure that flea can play around with the torque and how the turbo spools up to make it easier on the clutch as well.

Changing the fuel pump can be a bit of a pig as well - not like an PFR which takes five minutes.

If you are getting the car mapped then you want it to be spot on, and ready, otherwise you waste time and money.

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1136948
27/11/2010 23:30
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i have a fair bit of 16vt stuff as well stage 3 t technics for that full 3" with 3"downpipe sports cat..and more spare engine loads standard stuff..full car runner spares ,repairs job and more tuning stuff...am unloading everything now in case you need anything yourself

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1137128
28/11/2010 15:43
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Suba - many thanks for the info. Rob - err thanks for trying to turn my thread into a classified tongue



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1137210
28/11/2010 20:09
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Originally Posted by pinin_prestatyn
Actually, I intend to reach 300 by spending as little as possible! Modding on a shoestring? you bet laugh NO corners will be cut, but I'm confident I can get there for under 1K cool If I make it I'll do a post in tuning with a breakdown and how I saved money.


It would be interesting if you could get this done for under a grand. Taking into account what a new(or 2nd hand) turbo costs alone, and a day with Flea, your grand is already spent!

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1137253
28/11/2010 21:10
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Thought about getting injectors cleaned ultrasonically? (buy a spare set, get them done, swap over with yours)

Proabably worth it for the cost, rather than finding out you've got a duff injector after tuning.....

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1137350
29/11/2010 04:56
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Pinin Im running 317 at 1.3 bar ONLY through a live map via Flea. My mods are...

Powerflow exhaust system with decat pipe and standard down pipe.
Blitz Boost Controller
Drilled Air box and panel filter
Pro Alloy front mount
62 mil trim hybrid
3.8 Fpr - Flea will supply this but cheaper to buy prior...save yourself 40 quid
Uprated fuel pump with wiring mod

You dont need a sip...
You dont need to uprate the down pipe unless you want top end gain and if so you will be looking around the 340 - 350 bhp mark.

You wont get all this for a grand...looking more like 2 - 2.5k

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1137351
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And to add if your on a grand budget go the "280" mark instead so pick up a second hand smaller trim hybrid, get a decent exhaust system then maybe you wont have to go the front mount route.

Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: ] #1137504
29/11/2010 13:27
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I've got 270BHP already so I think I'd just keep it that way rather than an extra 10BHP laugh I have a front mount too.

Hybrid Turbo - £400
FMIC - £120
SIP - £40

I'm just over half-way through with my budget.



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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1137606
29/11/2010 16:04
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120 for a front mount!!! Where did you buy it...ALDI!? laugh

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29/11/2010 16:12
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Originally Posted by Liquid
120 for a front mount!!! Where did you buy it...ALDI!? laugh


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Re: The magical 300, Supporting mods? [Re: pinin_prestatyn] #1137736
29/11/2010 18:22
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Originally Posted by pinin_prestatyn
Actually, I intend to reach 300 by spending as little as possible! Modding on a shoestring? you bet laugh NO corners will be cut, but I'm confident I can get there for under 1K cool If I make it I'll do a post in tuning with a breakdown and how I saved money.



Hats off here, I would do the same. Too many years spend Trackside means shoestring doesnt have to mean un reliable or not done properly...... Just a smaller budget!!

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Add a few quid to get a rolling road power run with fueling check, only about £40


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