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Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: magooagain] #1203586
18/04/2011 15:49
18/04/2011 15:49
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Originally Posted by magooagain
Alexis says that i will find the real rust when i get the rear subframe off,and i believe him.

Even found a couple of pics when I did the rear subframe 6 years ago
click to enlarge click to enlarge

I did pull at the underseal on that one, glad I did, ground a lot of it back and went over it with hammerite.

Steve, great news cool No more man hugs from me now wink


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Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: gj88] #1203589
18/04/2011 15:54
18/04/2011 15:54
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Originally Posted by gj88
[quote=MrCooper]Please, consider doing what Nigel says.

I actually agree with this.



Are my comments so massively off the mark the rest of the time?



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Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: MrCooper] #1203594
18/04/2011 16:01
18/04/2011 16:01

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Hi Steve,just read this post1 Really gutted for you! Only met you the once at MITCAR last year,your a thouroughly decent chap in my humble opinion!!! Your coop looked and sounded superb.You must take up the offers from real freinds and get the coop back on the road. Maybe stay standard for a while then dip your toes gently?
Good luck in whatever you decide mate! thumb

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203598
18/04/2011 16:07
18/04/2011 16:07

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I think it's an incredibly difficult decision.

it's easy for anyone to say, scrap the car, don't throw anymore money at it but Steve has put 20k into it over time. If he scraps it now, he'll get some money for parts but no car at the end of it.

It does sound like the Rust issue can be fixed though.


Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203599
18/04/2011 16:13
18/04/2011 16:13
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Its Heart over Head...
If my car was like that and I had spent so much on it I would want to try and save it.

Its a though one... im sure that if JBT and his welder are doing the work the subframes will all be removed along with arch liners etc etc if they havent already been!


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Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203600
18/04/2011 16:14
18/04/2011 16:14

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Originally Posted by duncan78
I think it's an incredibly difficult decision.

it's easy for anyone to say, scrap the car, don't throw anymore money at it but Steve has put 20k into it over time. If he scraps it now, he'll get some money for parts but no car at the end of it.

It does sound like the Rust issue can be fixed though.



cheers Duncan - yeah that's about how it is, but had the rust been allowed to take further hold it would have been a write off. i sincerely hope i have no need to write anymore of these "drama queen" threads laugh

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203601
18/04/2011 16:19
18/04/2011 16:19
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you big purple :marco:


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Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: gj88] #1203603
18/04/2011 16:21
18/04/2011 16:21
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Steve - seriously, you need to consider this idea - let's take this car as an example

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2679179.htm

One of the best colours (IMHO) and quite local

So - how much are you about to spend on saving the leccy-blue? (engine AND corrosion) £2k? £3k?

Buy the Moonie at just under £4k, then start selling the bits off your blue Plus - I reckon you would EASILY make £2k, probably a lot more - for example:-

Interior - £750
Gearbox - £400
Brembos - £200
Aircon - £100
180mph clocks - £100
Wheels - £400
Body panels -(bonnet, doors etc) - £250?
Rocker cover - £75
lockset & ECU - £250
centre console carpet sections £1,000,000 rolleyes

I make that about £2,500 already.

then you've got all the other bits, such as:-

oil cooler
power steering
steering rack
oil pump
alternator
battery
suspension
hubs (assuming your bearings are OK)
driveshafts
carpets
various engine bay components - tanks, covers, radiators, hoses etc

THEN you'd have all of the excess bits that you would remove from the Moonie when you fit your good bits from the old car -

Stainless exhaust - £150
Brake discs - £40

I reckon you could end up with a perfect car at a NET cost of WAY under a grand

Put it this way, my own Moonie cost me a LOT less than £500 after I'd sold all the bits from the Sprinty and the surplus bits off the Moonie

Sorry, but I reckon you're mad to try to save the blue Plus, especially when you can make so much money from selling it

I'm happy to share my experience of selling the bits and how much I got for them - maybe it will make you change your mind

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: MarioCirillo] #1203604
18/04/2011 16:21
18/04/2011 16:21

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Originally Posted by MarioCirillo
you big purple :marco:


you love it loser

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203606
18/04/2011 16:29
18/04/2011 16:29

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Steve,

you can buy my moonie for 5k smile ... engine on 45k love

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203608
18/04/2011 16:30
18/04/2011 16:30

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Originally Posted by duncan78
Steve,

you can buy my moonie for 5k smile ... engine on 45k love


cheers, so generous - but my bank manager just passed out laugh

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203610
18/04/2011 16:33
18/04/2011 16:33
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Originally Posted by duncan78
Steve,

you can buy my moonie for 5k smile ... engine on 45k love


I'll wait til the end of the year Duncan, then you'll be giving me money AND your car shocked


Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: gj88] #1203611
18/04/2011 16:33
18/04/2011 16:33

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Originally Posted by gj88
One of the forum members I've wanted to meet but never had the chance.
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be careful what you wish for evil laugh

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: MrCooper] #1203614
18/04/2011 16:44
18/04/2011 16:44
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Originally Posted by MrCooper
Originally Posted by gj88
[quote=MrCooper]Please, consider doing what Nigel says.

I actually agree with this.



Are my comments so massively off the mark the rest of the time?


confused

No.

I said "I actually agree with this" because I've already commented congratulating Proccy for his commitment.


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Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: gj88] #1203616
18/04/2011 16:58
18/04/2011 16:58

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Proccy,
absolute bug*er of a decision; I would probably take the scrap and build a new one option, but I've only spent £5K on mine (in a year crazy ).

Plenty of lost sleep I'm sure, but good luck in whatever course of action you take. You'll get a lot of help from here whatever,

Tim

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203630
18/04/2011 17:34
18/04/2011 17:34
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Isn't it amazing how a car can go from this to a rustbucket in such a short time

Scary and enough to make you think about having the underside checked properly

Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203640
18/04/2011 18:10
18/04/2011 18:10
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I'm going with all the others who have advised getting a donor car to transfer all the bits over mate. It is the best solution me thinks and perhaps the financially less crippling one.
All the best though.


Enjoying Coop ownership, second time round . Also enjoying RWD action in a thundering V8 E90 M3.
Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203658
18/04/2011 19:00
18/04/2011 19:00

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Nigels idea is by far the best financially but I can see why you would want to keep that perticular car going, after all the blood sweat and tears that you've been through together! Its like saying goodbye to an old friend!

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Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203675
18/04/2011 19:33
18/04/2011 19:33
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woohoo woohoo woohoo beer beer

laugh

Excellent news Steve cool


Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203681
18/04/2011 19:51
18/04/2011 19:51

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Fantastic news Steve.

Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203699
18/04/2011 20:19
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Steve - if it's any consolation, mine's just failed on rust in much the same places as you describe - though possibly not so bad as yours.

And of course, I have the one car that loses its whole point if the bits are swapped to another shell - so it's getting fixed, like it or not.

btw - has no-one pointed out yet the colour of metal covered with phosphor-based rust protector? It's purple...


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Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203706
18/04/2011 20:36
18/04/2011 20:36

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Steve, welcome along, why don't you consider spending £15.00 and joining the club?

Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203731
18/04/2011 21:48
18/04/2011 21:48
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lol he is a club member wink


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Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: MarioCirillo] #1203734
18/04/2011 21:53
18/04/2011 21:53
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Originally Posted by MarioCirillo
lol he is a club member wink



True, and I've raided a few of those type of clubs wink

laugh


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Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203739
18/04/2011 22:00
18/04/2011 22:00

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There is rust all around the undercarriage,typically the later coupes rust worse than the early ones.

9 out of 10 cars i see now i am advising at least surface rust and they all go in the same places.

Without literally removing the sub-frames and the panels were not going to get to all the rust that lies beneath,but we will certainly remove any in sight,and hopefully prolong the life of the car for some time.

As for the belts jumping,the ps pump,idler and tensioner had a 2,mm run out over 20 inches of measurement.
As previously thought,the dowels were both missing from the big alloy cast mounting.
With the bolts loose you can move the casting side to side nearly 4 mm from top to bottom.

So 2 dowells ordered and hopefully this will see the end to this issue.


Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: ] #1203744
18/04/2011 22:05
18/04/2011 22:05
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[/quote]
plenty of rust around the subframe and rear suspension and according to JBT's welder somewhere in the region of 48 hours welding

[/quote]

48hrs WTF shocked shocked


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Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203751
18/04/2011 22:15
18/04/2011 22:15

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Re: And finally, it's goodnight from me [Re: Mark_S] #1203757
18/04/2011 22:24
18/04/2011 22:24

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Originally Posted by Mark_S
[/quote]
plenty of rust around the subframe and rear suspension and according to JBT's welder somewhere in the region of 48 hours welding



48hrs WTF shocked shocked [/quote]

4-8 hours laugh

Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203798
18/04/2011 23:01
18/04/2011 23:01

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Originally Posted by patch234
Steve, welcome along, why don't you consider spending £15.00 and joining the club?



Damn I was just about to copy and paste one of his salesman posts from an older post laugh rofl

Re: And finally, it's another hello from me [Re: ] #1203799
18/04/2011 23:09
18/04/2011 23:09

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Originally Posted by mayzon
Originally Posted by patch234
Steve, welcome along, why don't you consider spending £15.00 and joining the club?



Damn I was just about to copy and paste one of his salesman posts from an older post laugh rofl


you pair of p-taking bar stewards..... laugh

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