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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Jimbo] #1292033
25/11/2011 14:56
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
I'm very interested in this kit, my only concern is the pillow ball top mount and how long it will last before it starts knocking.
I think the use of the word "Pillow" is a bit misleading, a pillow you usually associate with softness, not a solid block of metal with no give at all!

I'm just concerned it may be too harsh for a road car, especially for guys running 18" wheels with low profile tyres.
I'm also waiting for Begbies feedback smile


Hi the front topmounts bearing is a common item across many of the BC range and has a very long life. Worst case they are £29.50 for replacements. We generally avoid the solid mounting on the rear of cars where the suspension top is under the parcel shelf to keep as much refinement and noise absorption as possible. However this is not applicable on the Coupe. Solid mounting on the front, in the engine bay will not be an issue for road use. We maybe able to provide the kit with a rubber front topmount, but you would lose the camber adjustment and save very little cash, its really not worth it.

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Jimbo] #1292038
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The rear damper is Coupe specific, however you adjust the total length of it as you adjust the rideheight.

Getting the rear damping right was the reason this kit took a little longer than we hoped to release. We had to develop an entirely new type of damper end/damper adjuster and went through several changes to the shim stack/bleed valve before we were happy with the damping over the whole range of adjustment.

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Why thankyou smile Similar to the FK then.

I notice there's a threaded section to the rear damper, I guess it shares the damper body from a kit which uses a coil over the damper on the rear.

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1292041
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So you then have height adjustment on the spring and the damper too? confused


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293090
29/11/2011 15:38
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Originally Posted by Begbie
So you then have height adjustment on the spring and the damper too? confused


Yes, its the right way to do it. You adjust the rideheight with the spring assembly length, then make sure the max damper length is set so the spring will not dislocate when you cock a wheel in the air mid corner, or take air off a humpback bridge you didnt see coming ...

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1293106
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Originally Posted by SM_SXOC
Originally Posted by Begbie
So you then have height adjustment on the spring and the damper too? confused


Yes, its the right way to do it. You adjust the rideheight with the spring assembly length, then make sure the max damper length is set so the spring will not dislocate when you cock a wheel in the air mid corner, or take air off a humpback bridge you didnt see coming ...

Ah, clears that one up smile


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293346
30/11/2011 13:27
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Group buy?


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293371
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BC-racing won't do the group buy themselves, or if they do, it won't be at a lower price, maybe a few extra's thrown in.

I believe if you speak to Barbz / Eddie at http://aecar.co.uk/default.aspx (Barbz is friends with Eddie) they might be able to arrange a group buy.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293421
30/11/2011 21:04
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You would hope that Deltaparts would be considered for some sales and a group buy as a bit of a thanks as it was them (and Apex/BC that made this possible....

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293427
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Has anyone tried these in Anger aka race or track day? laugh Thanks

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293436
30/11/2011 22:26
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Yes, we did at Donington the other week.

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293478
01/12/2011 00:28
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Who is we, and can you give any feedback?
What about where alot of people will use it....on the road?

Thanks.

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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293619
01/12/2011 17:56
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Me Im only interested in the track! What car, mods, weight, lap times?
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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293688
01/12/2011 22:29
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I work at Deltaparts and we approached Apex/BC early in the year to help them develop a setup for the Coupe as we are running one at the moment as a hmmm well, combination of test car/street sleeper project, customer car/track car and some college projects for me.
TBH, it started off as just us saving a 16vt that we picked up locally, we built a new engine then it just snowballed and got a bit out of hand, it's some sick car now.

Sorry, back to the subject, we helped them with the integrale set up a while ago and this suspension has been on the coupe since spring, the front was great out of the box, but the rear took quite a few attempts to get right, itwas too bouncy and i kept bashing my head on the roof in the back when testing lol. We eventually got the dampers (from BC) to match the springs and it feels great on the road on the fully soft setting, not too harsh at all, well controlled, easy to drive and corners really well.

At Donington we stiffened it up (15 clicks) and it gripped really well in the afternoon when we had some sticky tyres on, it doesn't have any thicker ARBs, but will understeer or oversteer depending on how you treat the throttle in the corner.
The car was only running about 360bhp at a guess as we only set it up quickly the day before and it wasn't 100% finished.
It is standard weight and we were doing 1.58s later on when Martin was driving witht he silencer fitted (lol) and i was timing. When roger wqas driving he kept slowing down by the noise sensors because it wasn't his car and we got black flagged 3 times before the exaust mod/bodge quietened it down.
It's running 2 silencers so i don't know why it's so noisy, probably high lift cams and 8500rpm....

Anything more i would ring Martin and ask him, he knows it better than me and inside out, i just thought it strange that while we did all the hard work other companies were making all the money.
We can do a group buy.

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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1293830
02/12/2011 11:51
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Can we have some group buy prices please?
Based on 5 and 10.
If the prices are listed here and are good, we may be able to tempt a few more people into it.


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: technics] #1294001
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Hi

Been running BC's on the front for over a year now and they are excellent. Technics had a go in mine recently wink

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1294010
02/12/2011 22:15
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Hi Barbz,
Which variant are you running?
"Street and Circuit Coilover retails for £649
Inverted Damper For Pro Track retails for £849
External Reservoir retails for £1175"
Thanks

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1294017
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"BR type"

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: technics] #1294675
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Originally Posted by technics
Can we have some group buy prices please?
Based on 5 and 10.
If the prices are listed here and are good, we may be able to tempt a few more people into it.


Yes we will see what we can come up with, we will ask BC/Apex what can be done as we have to work closely with them and you to make sure a good compromise is met between us all in order to stop price wars, dealers falling out, dissatisfied customers etc.
Whilst we know Barbz has been using BC coilovers on the front of his car only to good effect, they were from an integrale so did not have the same settings and the top mounts didn't fit - they would have needed re-drilling on the car.

RM type will be available as a special order as will the ER, but the ER type will need some testing first to find a place to fix the remote canister.

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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1294700
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Originally Posted by 16veetee
You would hope that Deltaparts would be considered for some sales and a group buy as a bit of a thanks as it was them (and Apex/BC that made this possible....


Yes, it would be nice if Delta parts got some orders for the help with development - especially when a few start using the kit and tell everyone how good of a job you have done smile

customer kit #1 being despatched today smile


Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1294712
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Originally Posted by SM_SXOC
customer kit #1 being despatched today smile

Got the tracking email today thumb


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1294742
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Hi Begbie, Which ones have you gone for? Is it for pure track work or road stuff too?
Thanks
Ben laugh

16veetee has no one taken the ER yet? Where abouts is Delta or you?? My brother owns a trackday company so I would be able to help with track time to set them up properly? smile

Money is burning a hole!

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Originally Posted by Alfanutter


16veetee has no one taken the ER yet? Where abouts is Delta or you?? My brother owns a trackday company so I would be able to help with track time to set them up properly? smile

Money is burning a hole!


apparently you've met an done business with my boss last Summer so I think your memory is a bit poor. wink

No-one has asked about ER series. All we need to do is to decide where to put the remote reservoir, once an order is placed we will do that and Bobs yer uncle so be a pioneer...

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1294894
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Originally Posted by Alfanutter
Hi Begbie, Which ones have you gone for? Is it for pure track work or road stuff too?

I've gone for the BR's


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1294906
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Originally Posted by 16veetee
Originally Posted by Alfanutter


16veetee has no one taken the ER yet? Where abouts is Delta or you?? My brother owns a trackday company so I would be able to help with track time to set them up properly? smile

Money is burning a hole!


apparently you've met an done business with my boss last Summer so I think your memory is a bit poor. wink

No-one has asked about ER series. All we need to do is to decide where to put the remote reservoir, once an order is placed we will do that and Bobs yer uncle so be a pioneer...


Ha slept since then! Pm me some prices on the full range and delivery times. btw did he sell those wheels I really regret selling them!!

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1295023
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Suspension has arrived yipee Will be fitting this over the weekend, so will report back then smile


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1295026
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Originally Posted by Begbie
Suspension has arrived yipee Will be fitting this over the weekend, so will report back then smile


Looking forward to reading that then!

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Pictures pictures pictures!!! Need pictures now laugh

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1295047
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Originally Posted by Alfanutter


Ha slept since then! Pm me some prices on the full range and delivery times. btw did he sell those wheels I really regret selling them!!


Yeah they are nice wheels, for personal use only I believe (they're still here).

Prices of full range inc shipping here: http://www.deltaparts.co.uk/index.asp?itemID=264

If you order by Tuesday eve they will be with you a week later.

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Jimbo] #1295056
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Pictures pictures pictures!!! Need pictures now laugh


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1295225
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Whilst we know Barbz has been using BC coilovers on the front of his car only to good effect, they were from an integrale so did not have the same settings and the top mounts didn't fit - they would have needed re-drilling on the car.


Yes true, the Integrale damper setup has allowed us to run a more aggressive caster position.
BR Base damper settings are the same as is the spring rate.
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Yes we will see what we can come up with, we will ask BC/Apex what can be done as we have to work closely with them and you to make sure a good compromise is met between us all in order to stop price wars, dealers falling out, dissatisfied customers etc.


Wasn't aware of any price war mate!
Just offering a good price for a good tuning product, like i've always done over the years.

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