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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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13/12/2011 01:16
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Sounds promising Any pictures of the install or were you too keen to get out on the road? Not taken any, but will take some tomorrow probably. ]Have you turned the rear damper up side down? Please show some pics of the coilovers Damper is upside down and can only be mounted that way due to the bolt size, so easy access for making the damper stiffer. Nice.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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16/12/2011 14:05
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Right, time to give a bit more in-depth review on this kit. Fitment of the kit was easy and everything all bolted in as it should, although I was getting angry at why I couldn't fit the front struts but this was due to me trying to get the mounts in the locating holes where the top mounts go, duh The rear shocks are mounted upside down, so this allows easy access to adjusting the shocks from soft to hard. I was a little concerned on how the rear springs and cup sat, as from the FK's, you have bolt in the cup into the trailing arm and the springs are a snug fit on the top of the rear subframe. I put them in place and to be honest, they won't move anywhere when the car is loaded up, or even jacked up. The ride, well I've still left it on 5 clicks out of 30 and I'm perfectly happy with it. I've done about 100 miles of driving since fitting the kit and driven it on bumpy and smooth A&B roads and there were certain points I used to dread as the car would bottom out and the exhaust would hit the floor. Well this just doesn't happen and feels extremely planted even on a reasonably soft setting. I had a drive from Guildford to Dorking the other night and the speed I could carry in the corners was 10% - 15% more than the speed limit and didn't really give any hints of understeer, but it was damp and dark, so didn't really try pushing it, but I would hazard a guess that if the dampers were turned up, it would just handle even better. The bonus about the kit, is that you get adjustable top mounts, so you can dial in what camber you want without having to faff about with camber bolts, or a slotted strut to get the camber right. Jonone also had a ride in the car after I fitted the kit and he said the following : well i had a short ride in begbie's car and the initial impressions are good, we were on some typically bumpy english roads and the damping was very good even on the low settings there is enough rebound so it did not float in dips making the ride as good as your going to get from coilovers with 330lb springs. i have no doubt that this is now the best handling option for the price at the moment.
it will be to "hardcore" for some but perfect if you want to do the odd trackday and be acceptable on the road, it will be quite different from a refreshed std setup, so you need to decide what you want from the car So there you go, well worth the money and it's made me feel so much better about the car
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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16/12/2011 15:21
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dlongstaff
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Well, I just ordered some. Prices go up on 20th from aecars
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Re: New make of coilovers
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16/12/2011 16:23
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What about road noise Begbie, they are now a solid top mount and although named a "pillow ball" I can see there being an increase in noise and vibration?
It would be interesting to have a review of these dampers on a coupé used as a daily drive.
Have you played with ride height and how simple is it to adjust the height now it's done via the hub mounting point? You haven't been in my car if you're talking about road noise TBH I actually haven't noticed any difference in noise or vibrations so can't really comment on that. I haven't played with the ride height at all, left it all as standard and it seems to be pretty much spot on Well, I just ordered some. Prices go up on 20th from aecars I believe porkypaul is going to order a set too after speaking to him on the phone earlier
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Re: New make of coilovers
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17/12/2011 14:27
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Have you played with ride height and how simple is it to adjust the height now it's done via the hub mounting point?
Adjusting the rear springs seems to be pretty self-explaining, can you comment on how to adjust the rear dampers ? Thanks, Jochen
Bravo 20VT Plus, Gtech1, K&N57i, Blueflame 2.75+race cat, OMP strut hi+lo, BC coils, AP brake 328x28
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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20/12/2011 16:00
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I got mine the other day. They look spot on, very impressed with the quality. I have the stainless steel FK coilovers and these seem much better (and were cheaper!).
No comment on handling yet, engine is not in the car!
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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20/12/2011 16:16
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They have gone up in price but not by too much today. £678 How long did it take for them to arrive?
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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23/12/2011 12:07
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Any orders on our website before 27th December will likely be despatched 3rd or 4th of Jan on a next working day service. Any orders on our website 27th Dec - 2nd Jan will likely be despatched ~9th Jan. From 3rd Jan price will be £769, £699 now http://www.bc-racing.co.uk/c-bczo01/fiat-coupe-coilovers-93-00-fa175/
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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23/12/2011 20:33
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Re: New make of coilovers
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23/12/2011 21:14
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I have the D2's and they are spot on.
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Re: New make of coilovers
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23/12/2011 21:29
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I have the D2's and they are spot on. Hi Taffy, Have you used them on track?
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Re: New make of coilovers
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23/12/2011 21:42
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I have the D2's and they are spot on. Hi Taffy, Have you used them on track? Yes he has and i was in with him for an hour at Spa. We were both impressed with them.
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Re: New make of coilovers
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23/12/2011 22:12
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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24/12/2011 21:21
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Re: New make of coilovers
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03/01/2012 10:54
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I am happily awaiting my parcel from BC... Who else ordered one and can comment on ride quality and how many klicks they tried... Jochen
Last edited by plasticomnium; 03/01/2012 11:12.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: magooagain]
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04/01/2012 09:23
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I have the D2's and they are spot on. Hi Taffy, Have you used them on track? Yes he has and i was in with him for an hour at Spa. We were both impressed with them. What spring rate does he use with his D2?! Thanks Juergen
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: magooagain]
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05/01/2012 10:33
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We just couldn't hold back the price rise, sorry. Coupe Prices BR-RA now £769 ER (after manufacture) now £1399
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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05/01/2012 10:44
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I would have thought the coilovers would be much better than other brands for road use with a good ride quality, comfort and performance balance - this is where they should excel against the competition. From the feedback so far I think my statement above is reflecting peoples thoughts. On track or smoother roads coilovers with less emphasis on damping and more on spring rate would not show up there insufficiencies as much. The BC Coupe kit is flying out of the door, and all around Europe so there should be plenty of independent feedback available for you guys over the next few weeks and months
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Re: New make of coilovers
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05/01/2012 11:36
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I would have thought the coilovers would be much better than other brands for road use with a good ride quality, comfort and performance balance - this is where they should excel against the competition. That's why I decided to buy one and hopefully will not be dissapointed... Could you tell us a bit more about the special damping advantages of your kit, i.e. how damping changes from click 1 to 30 (regarding bump/rebound curves or in per cent or whatever describes it) and what settings (X out of 30, differences front to rear) would you recommend for daily road use, fast road use and track use, etc.. I guess that people will appreciate some extra information on how to achieve the best results with your kit Thanks...
Bravo 20VT Plus, Gtech1, K&N57i, Blueflame 2.75+race cat, OMP strut hi+lo, BC coils, AP brake 328x28
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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05/01/2012 16:46
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Hi, Setup can be very personal, so don't worry if you like a setting that is different from other people. Generally full-soft to 10 from soft would be the range that people will use on the road, but again that doesn't make 15 from soft "wrong" I encourage everyone to experiment, you have paid for the adjustment so use it Its not that our damping is "special" its just that we spend more time getting the right level of damping than a lot of companies selling coilovers under £1000. Our damping is not linear which helps with the range of adjustement. Most of the development time was spent tuning the rear low-speed damping (range 0-0.3m/s) if it wasn't for that the kit would have been ready after the first prototype kit. You have Delta parts to thank for how well the kit has turned out We need good feedback to make good kits. Most companies look for track handling and lowering as the major factors to consider. We prioritise real world "fast road" use, getting a kit with enough comfort and suppleness so you can enjoy your spirited driving yet still with a good increase in handling and roll reduction over OEM. We aren't looking to make the kit that will go the lowest, many of our kits will do near-standard to -60mm. I know the fiat Coupe kit will do standard rideheight, I have no idea what the lowest rideheight will be - low enough is all I can say. I'm sure somebody will quantify that for us at some point. However we will still listen to any feedback on how to improve the kit should you guys have suggestions.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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06/01/2012 22:33
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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07/01/2012 00:25
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Haven't recieved mine as yet. Been updated with emails. Ordered 16th Dec. obviously Xmas etc in the way so understandable ish! I was given one date amusingly as 25/02/2013. Latest was despatch 4th/5th. 4/9 days delivery on website.
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Re: New make of coilovers
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10/01/2012 18:09
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Haven't recieved mine as yet. Been updated with emails. Ordered 16th Dec. obviously Xmas etc in the way so understandable ish! I was given one date amusingly as 25/02/2013. Latest was despatch 4th/5th. 4/9 days delivery on website. Heh, that's just Xmas playing with our systems, normally its 3-9 working days and we still did pretty well with no working days 24th Dec - 3rd Jan. The first order update e-mail will have picked up stock order due 25th Feb 2012 - in our system as +1 year just so we can deal with what needs to be brought it by air freight rather than our stock orders that are brought in by sea. I guess you have them now and are smiling
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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11/01/2012 19:42
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Re: New make of coilovers
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03/04/2012 19:34
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Right, an update to this. Darren (dlongstaff) decided against testing the new springs as he was happy with running the standard rear springs and rubbers, so the testing of the new rears was given to me. I'm sure Darren can add to this, as to why he decided to choose this path. The new springs and rear cups arrived today and have been fitted, but not driven yet, so unable to comment just yet. I was given 2 sets of new springs, 200mm and 210mm in length, whilst the old ones are 180mm in length. I was also given a new spring perch on the rear. Now a couple of things to note, when I fitted these with the 180mm springs, I wasn't running a rear top spring rubber nor the lower spring cup rubber, as due to the FK's these bolt directly to the trailing arm. I have used the top rubbers and got some 2nd had lower spring cup rubbers from Joe78, as this is what the spring perch needs for it to sit better on the trailing arm. I opted to fitted the 210mm length springs along with the new perch and the difference in springs is quite different. When you look at the lower part of the spring it is now angled back so that when the car is on full droop it still sits in the spring perch without wobbling. The length of the spring, the angle of the spring and the new spring perch means that the springs sits fairly soldily when on full drop, this was evident in having to jack the rear trailing arm up to get the anti roll bar bolt back in. Anyway, some piccies : To give you an idea on what was happening before, here is a short youtube video and what happens with the FK'sI don't have a video of the new BC setup as I didn't think to do it and it start pouring with rain.
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