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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: Nellybear]
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23/03/2012 12:50
23/03/2012 12:50
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@Gareth - You talk about seeing new technology. How do we know that some current technology has not been spawned from previous 'visit' Hypothetically speaking of course Well tecnology is pretty linear in its advance. I think alien tech would stick out like a sore thumb.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 12:52
23/03/2012 12:52
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One word Gareth: Velcro
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 12:58
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Don't you mean Knsporks?
Or was that from later on?
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
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23/03/2012 14:10
23/03/2012 14:10
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ok stop there, this is as far as ive got, YOU need a history lesson here. the sr71 is nowhere near the most advanced aircraft we have, for 1 we dont have it anymore,its been retired, other than that it was designed to do one thing, fly high and fast so that it could not be shot down as it spied, we now have satellites for this purpose. the sr71 could be out classed in agility by most small aircraft let alone fighter aircraft. if the sr71 was sooooooo advanced why could they not make it so that it was sealed at all altitudes? it leaked at ground level. it is also not the fastest manned aircraft ever, just the fastest jet aircraft, and it is LIGHTYEARS behind in technology to the equipment used today. as for pulsejets? theyre for model aircraft, to TRULY go fast you want ramjets or scramjets. Someone needs to read up on SR-71 engines, they were a high bypass ramjet with the actual jet engine only providing a small proportion of thrust at supersonic speed. The SR-71 was possibly the most advanced aircraft of its time, not for the technology used although the engines were a very clever design, it was the airframe that was cutting edge due to its all titanium structure which had never been done before. An aircraft leaking fuel is hardly a measure of technical advancement, it leaked fuel on the ground because the airframe was cool, the structure was designed to operate at the high skin temperatures caused by the friction of supersonic flight.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 14:14
23/03/2012 14:14
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Ok I'll admit it. All this talk of UFOs has had me listening to War of the Worlds for the last 3 days....
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 14:30
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Tommy who? Never 'erd of 'im.
Jeff Wayne & Richard Burton = WIN.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 15:26
23/03/2012 15:26
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I did some more thinking about plasmas, in the interests of fairmindedness... Stand back - I'm going to try SCIENCE! Plasma is state of matter in which the protons, neutrons, and electrons are completely disassociated; this occurs only at very high temperatures. I have been unable to find any references to superconducting plasmas. Superconductivity is normally considered a low-temperature effect. The temperature at which the alleged mercury plasma is claimed to be is above that at which mercury is superconducting, but massively below plasma temperatures. There's something wrong here... I did find this site: long on speculation and short on science: http://www.gctspace.com/main.html
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
#1328015
23/03/2012 15:46
23/03/2012 15:46
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Thanks for the pain of that, Barnacle... The manufacturing process is based on chemistry Yay! Go chemistry! ...and Mercury, the most unique of them all Great, now I have to hunt you down and kill you.
Dear monos, a secret truth.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 16:13
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
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23/03/2012 16:43
23/03/2012 16:43
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errrrr, why would you want superconducting plasma? Because the person who wrote the original description of this wonderful device was a science fiction fan, not a scientist, and superconducting plasma represent (a) 2 words that sound cool and sciency and (b)represent concecpts that the average person isn't sufficently informed of and, as such, can't discredit in seconds. I'd be sure that superconductivity was included to be deliberately disingenuous, as the web can provide many photos and videos of magnets levitating over superconductive materials. Of course they are nothing to do with anti-gravity, any more than a helicopter hovering is anti-gravity, but the web-sites reporting this nonsense continue to trap people who are (a) desperate to believe any evidence of alien vistations, (b) under-schooled in physics, or both of the above.
Dear monos, a secret truth.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: Gareth_M]
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23/03/2012 20:20
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Imagine that a UFO has been found on a beach somewhere. It looks like it has suffered some crash damage. The doors are open and inside there are strange shaped seats, odd looking controls. Now while some of the population will be sayingthat this is proof. Sane normal people will want to make sure that this is not some elaborate hoax. What obviously must be done is to examine this thing as closely as possible. I'd want the metals checked for composition, i would want every control panel completely disassembled. Every single component in that craft would need to be examined. if after all of this is done and none of the components that are recovered are found to be manufactured on earth, even then, it would not be enough evidence for someone to say that the craft was made by extraterrestrials. There would need to be a piece of tech that is completely new to science. I don't mean something that is 5 or 10 years away from our present technology, I mean NEW technology.
This is the bare minimum of what people should expect as some proof.
Gareth - come to your senses, man! If one item in the 'ufo' is of extraterrestrial origin, that should be enough. Why do you need more?
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
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23/03/2012 20:37
23/03/2012 20:37
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But to find 'one item' you may need to check every other item.
Here's the problem I raised earlier, and why I insisted on technology which we could not replicate. In practical terms, there's little which would be required for interstellar travel which we could not make *now* - the main problem is the drive unit and perhaps long-term environmental systems.
As an example - given sufficient enthusiasm and money, I could fabricate computer systems using voltages which we don't use on earth, hand wired rather than circuit boards, using different paradigms, using different semiconductors etc. It would *look* alien, but that would be all. (And of course, Jeff Goldblum with a Mac would be able to give it a virus!)
If a modern i-phone or one of its friends were delivered to the brightest and best in the second world war - just seventy years ago - not only would it look like magic, but they wouldn't be able to see what it was doing: they would probably recognise power rails and printed circuit boards - though everything then worked at much higher voltages and was wired point-to-point, but they wouldn't have the test equipment to even see the internal logic signals (waaay too fast) and their best analysis would reveal silicon within those little black boxes that was more pure than they could measure.
Which is why I ask for things we specifically can't do now, like zero-g foam alloys in industrial quantities.
Better is life traces which can be shown not to be related to anything earth-based, but best of all is intelligent life which can actually answer questions...
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
#1328128
23/03/2012 21:03
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AndrewR
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best of all is intelligent life which can actually answer questions... <bites tongue>
Dear monos, a secret truth.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
#1328134
23/03/2012 21:21
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Ever tried to talk to a web bot? Sheffield uni created a turing bot a few years back and the night before the competition input current affairs and "chat" into the database. It had poor opinions though. Intelligent?
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
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#1328145
23/03/2012 21:44
23/03/2012 21:44
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Probably safest... Ever tried to talk to a web bot? Sheffield uni created a turing bot a few years back and the night before the competition input current affairs and "chat" into the database. It had poor opinions though. Intelligent? Somehow, I doubt it. But applied to a mobile and self contained organism, capable of answering questions like 'How much for the ship, eh, guv? It's got a lot of miles on it, mind, and I'm not sure about these tyres, and the cam-belt probably needs changing...'
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
#1328150
23/03/2012 21:48
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Its a big boat the tires are only there to stop it wubbing rubbing on the quay side.
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Re: UFOs - the thread!
[Re: barnacle]
#1328152
23/03/2012 21:49
23/03/2012 21:49
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And the cam belt will be fine if you keep it bellow 40rpm for another million hours.
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