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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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04/04/2012 09:20
04/04/2012 09:20
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Correct Jim.
They are being held in place by the springs and the lower rubber cup and have little chance of popping out / dislocating, unlike version 1 of the rears.
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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04/04/2012 10:00
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duncan146
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How do we get hold of version 2 rears? They available to everyone or still at testing stage? That does look much better than the current BC rears I've got on there.
Be interested to know if handling has been affected.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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04/04/2012 21:50
04/04/2012 21:50
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Begbie I can't see any pics. EDIT: now I can
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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07/04/2012 10:04
07/04/2012 10:04
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Just to update, I'm going to try the 200mm springs now, as the 210mm make the car too high at the back. I have wound the spring perch down with 5mm left and it just still looks too high. Will report after a wedding in Wales and a trip around the Evo Triangle
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
#1336032
19/04/2012 09:54
19/04/2012 09:54
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plasticomnium
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Any news ??
Havent't had problems so far with the rear springs but nevertheless I am not comfortable with the current situation... :-(
thanks
Bravo 20VT Plus, Gtech1, K&N57i, Blueflame 2.75+race cat, OMP strut hi+lo, BC coils, AP brake 328x28
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: plasticomnium]
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19/04/2012 11:31
19/04/2012 11:31
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Any news ??
Havent't had problems so far with the rear springs but nevertheless I am not comfortable with the current situation... :-(
thanks Sorry, have been busy with work etc.. So, I took the car to Wales for a wedding and stayed a couple of nights up there too, so I could drive the Evo Triangle too The handling in all honesty doesn't feel like it's changed at all after a 900 odd mile round trip. I had left the car on 15 clicks all round and it handled very well. I did get a disapproving look from the other half when I tried to induce understeer but instead, the car just stuck to the road. The only thing I would say is that the spring perch just makes the car that little too high at the back, so might try the new spring with the old perch to see how that fairs. A photo of what I mean, although it is hard to see
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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20/04/2012 09:24
20/04/2012 09:24
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It's not though. I did a quick measure of the front sill to the floor and the rear sill to the floor and it's a few cm higher at the rear.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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20/04/2012 09:33
20/04/2012 09:33
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plasticomnium
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Just to update, I'm going to try the 200mm springs now, as the 210mm make the car too high at the back. I have wound the spring perch down with 5mm left and it just still looks too high. Will report after a wedding in Wales and a trip around the Evo Triangle SO your trip was with the 200mm springs and you have 5mm thread left ?? New springs seem to have smaller diameter, sure they fit the old spring perch ?? At least, good to hear the new springs don't affect the performance
Last edited by plasticomnium; 20/04/2012 09:39.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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13/05/2012 20:09
13/05/2012 20:09
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Right, an update to this. Darren (dlongstaff) decided against testing the new springs as he was happy with running the standard rear springs and rubbers, so the testing of the new rears was given to me. I'm sure Darren can add to this, as to why he decided to choose this path. The new springs and rear cups arrived today and have been fitted, but not driven yet, so unable to comment just yet. I was given 2 sets of new springs, 200mm and 210mm in length, whilst the old ones are 180mm in length. I was also given a new spring perch on the rear. Now a couple of things to note, when I fitted these with the 180mm springs, I wasn't running a rear top spring rubber nor the lower spring cup rubber, as due to the FK's these bolt directly to the trailing arm. I have used the top rubbers and got some 2nd had lower spring cup rubbers from Joe78, as this is what the spring perch needs for it to sit better on the trailing arm. I opted to fitted the 210mm length springs along with the new perch and the difference in springs is quite different. When you look at the lower part of the spring it is now angled back so that when the car is on full droop it still sits in the spring perch without wobbling. The length of the spring, the angle of the spring and the new spring perch means that the springs sits fairly soldily when on full drop, this was evident in having to jack the rear trailing arm up to get the anti roll bar bolt back in. Anyway, some piccies : To give you an idea on what was happening before, here is a short youtube video and what happens with the FK'sI don't have a video of the new BC setup as I didn't think to do it and it start pouring with rain. Well, I think Begbie’s video shows very well why the rear springs fail MOT standards. To clarify. I only put my original springs back on the car for the MOT re-test leaving the BC shocks on as I anticipated after the re-test fitting the BC springs back onto the car. The ride was/is actually good and an improvement to the BC spring. So, I have left the setup like this until a replacement spring was sorted out. I wasn’t ‘happy’ with it as such, but stuck with it! When the rear spring scenario was raised I would like to add that all emails were acknowledged and answered from the suppliers and AE CARS suggested a refund. I asked if I could just be given another compatible spring instead. I am happy with the kit and the quality, but the rear spring oversight is a little confusing. As the rest of the kit is good, why they got the rear spring wrong is odd. It was then suggested that the ‘customer’ could test an alternative spring that would be ready in the next two weeks. Begbie said he was happy to do this, I was not. My reason was that I bought a kit which I assumed would of already had undertaken extensive testing before it was ever sold to the public. Why would I test something I am not qualified to do? And I found the suggestion wholly unacceptable. I am in no way questioning Begbies credentials, far from it but, is BC’s factory going to go into production of springs on the thumbs up of a person who says it’s ok? I paid for my kit in December, got it in January. Failed my MOT couple of months ago, alerted BC to the situation. Got in touch with a handful of people who I could find out who had bought the kit. And since then, a couple of months back , nothing! There has not, at least on my behalf any kind of recall of the springs, update or news from or on BC’s behalf. If it wasn’t for the forum pretty sure no one would know what is going on. I need to get in touch with BC again, obviously. I thought things were going to happen and I have been busy and more time gone by then I realised so not passing the buck. Again, no slight at Begbie but has the question been answered yet...... do the replacement rear springs pass MOT standards?
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Re: New make of coilovers
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14/05/2012 16:25
14/05/2012 16:25
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duncan146
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I've fitted the small rubber spring seat that sits on the bottom of the standard springs and it seems to have cured this problem on mine. Certainly stopped the spring platform from rattling around.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: jon13]
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23/05/2012 11:32
23/05/2012 11:32
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dlongstaff
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Anymore more news on the issues with the rears being resolved? That's what we all would like to know! I got round to sending an email asking for any news update the reply goes along the lines that they have read Begbies report on the forum and that it has resolved the mot issue. That the most stringent mot would result in a pass. Once again that is just an opinion, not hard fact. And no mention whatsoever about replacement springs or a timetable/agenda. So sweet fa really.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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28/05/2012 12:01
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I don't think that's really fair Darren.
Lets get it into perspective.
1) Has everyone's car failed the MOT due to the rear springs? No, I'm pretty sure not as its a grey area and your tester failed them. We run this sort of setup on many many cars, BMW E30 / E36 / E46, Nissan 350Z to name a few - we dont have issues with MOTs.
2) When you, as a club, the FCCUK, choose which of the 2 new spring options you would like to be put into production (and Begbie is still testing) then we'll do that and have the original 180mm spring and either the 200 or 210mm spring options.
3) With the new springs the min/max rideheight will change, as will the ride-heights at which full spring/seat contact can be achieved to satisfy even the MOT testers with the strictest interpretation of the MOT Rules.
So has anybody had an MOT pass with the original spring setup? Would be nice to get that confirmed within the club.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
#1349536
07/06/2012 17:57
07/06/2012 17:57
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Well I've been told of at least 1 MOT pass on the kit as originally supplied "Sailed through"
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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08/06/2012 10:23
08/06/2012 10:23
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Correct Jim.
They are being held in place by the springs and the lower rubber cup and have little chance of popping out / dislocating, unlike version 1 of the rears. This isnt specfic to Bc's its just someone has been keen to spot it. My Gaz rears have popped out whilst driving around Donington when i went on the grass.So potentially then can dislodge. My advice is to get the KW cups or similar and use them.I will have to do the same.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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02/08/2012 08:58
02/08/2012 08:58
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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03/08/2012 23:00
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There is no update and there never will be. Eddie at AE cars has ignored my emails and does not sell them any more. Apexperformance BC suppliers opinions are a joke. What you going to get to two mots and call it a day. Joke guys. Don't buy. Simple. Could of been a different thread full of praise of a company pulling their finger out and resolving their mistake. Whatever the opinion of a response will be six months later it's too late and pathetic
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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03/08/2012 23:45
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dlongstaff
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I paid my money. I was expecting more than they obviously can deliver. For the sake of ? Hundred quid replacement ? Pity!
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Re: New make of coilovers
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07/08/2012 14:26
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That's unfair! (message I typed deleted and e-mailed instead to Begbie, AE cars and Darren) FACT! We are waiting for the feedback requested to put one of the 2 springs into production. Thanks There is no update and there never will be. Eddie at AE cars has ignored my emails and does not sell them any more. Apexperformance BC suppliers opinions are a joke. What you going to get to two mots and call it a day. Joke guys. Don't buy. Simple. Could of been a different thread full of praise of a company pulling their finger out and resolving their mistake. Whatever the opinion of a response will be six months later it's too late and pathetic
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Re: New make of coilovers
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07/08/2012 14:28
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Quote from MAYNote point 2 - we are still waiting for that to proceed - if we had the answer in May it would be sorted by now. I don't think that's really fair Darren.
Lets get it into perspective.
1) Has everyone's car failed the MOT due to the rear springs? No, I'm pretty sure not as its a grey area and your tester failed them. We run this sort of setup on many many cars, BMW E30 / E36 / E46, Nissan 350Z to name a few - we dont have issues with MOTs.
2) When you, as a club, the FCCUK, choose which of the 2 new spring options you would like to be put into production (and Begbie is still testing) then we'll do that and have the original 180mm spring and either the 200 or 210mm spring options.
3) With the new springs the min/max rideheight will change, as will the ride-heights at which full spring/seat contact can be achieved to satisfy even the MOT testers with the strictest interpretation of the MOT Rules.
So has anybody had an MOT pass with the original spring setup? Would be nice to get that confirmed within the club.
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Re: New make of coilovers
[Re: Begbie]
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08/08/2012 10:33
08/08/2012 10:33
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I'll acknowledge that, thanks for the clarification.
The group of customers who have bought this kit and collectively discussing it on this forum is what I'm referring too. Other customers who have not seen this thread do not seem to have the same issue. So we want a resolution that will satisfy this group of customers.
We have had further input now, and have already acted upon that.
We will develop a further spring, based round the new spring platform design already tested but with a better range for the ride height. We hope this will be an acceptable fix.
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