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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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14/08/2012 04:09
14/08/2012 04:09
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DeaDLocK
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A well-maintained 20VT lump is bulletproof if kept as standard (or close to it). A friend here has done over 170k (in the hot Malaysian heat) and only just did an engine rebuild, and even then only because he mostly wanted to rather than because he had to.
There are of course strong modified engines, but the process of modification involves so many variables that it is unwise to say that they will last as long.
Lots of folks on here are running 200k+. Nigel's engine has done some astronomical miles on big power. Okay so maybe he cheated with forged bits etc, but it bears testimony to the fundamental engineering of the engine.
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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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14/08/2012 07:45
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Mileage is largely irrelevant; condition and service history is all. The actual lump rarely causes problems, and trouble normally comes from the other bits (turbos, etc.).
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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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14/08/2012 17:43
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The 5 is reputedly stronger than the 6, but it's not like those of us with 6ers have experienced many problems. The majority of the Coupes on the road in my part of the world are Pluses, so all 6-speeders, and I've read no reports of boxes going wonky.
I've owned both 5 and 6 and if you intend to keep the car for a while, it's worth the upgrade to a 6 if you get a 5-speeder. Part of it is 6-speed "cachet", but practically speaking having the extra cog for motorway munching makes it worthwhile IMO.
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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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14/08/2012 23:49
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johnnybravoturbo
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These engines are affected only by poor maintenance. No engine failures I have seen have been caused by poor quality or manufacturing defects. Better economy than most modern hatchbacks with a Punch if needed that will see off even the modern big guns.
Added to that with a few hundred spent on suspension it will perform on the road as good as any new car and drive as such. I can't think of any other 15 year old car that you can quote such praise about.
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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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15/08/2012 09:19
15/08/2012 09:19
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Rudidudi
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Faced with the option of a low mileage and high mileage engine there is clearly a no brainer of a decision to take (all things equal). Whilst there are some high mileage engines out there they will definitely be 'tired', relatively speaking. They may not smoke and may pull well, but the mileage dictates that they will be more worn than one with half the mileage (all things equal). Revs also kill engines, high revs (and boost) create the harshest environment with biggest loads, on bearings, crank and notably the rings. Hard revving will result in blow by which will wear the piston top ring groove resulting in more blow by. The same environment will also result in higher wear rates at the top of the cylinder, where the rings are exerting most outward force, characterised by the ridge that is typically found on worn engines. Another characteristic typical of high mileage engines is cylinder ovality and taper, again due to higher wear, this may only be a few thou' but enough to be significant - after all a good engine will have excellent tolerances. The secret of an exceptional engine is all the tolerances being spot on. Lots of people don't get this, they just bolt stuff together and hope for the best - and sometimes it mitigates problems for a while, but hardly ideal. The fact is that even on an engine that is religiously serviced, mileage wears components. At some point components fail or wear to the extent that they are no longer serviceable, a high mileage engine will be closer to that than a low mileage engine. Then lets also be realistic, these engines and cars dont lend themselves to sedate driving, always below 2k. They were designed to excite and 'be driven'. Personally I wouldn't tough a high mileage engine with a stinky stick, the engine is but only one part of the assembly and high mileage means wear in other areas too. Those that have high mileage cars that run them successfully are probably keen to maintain them properly, or more than properly. Maintenance is absolutely key, but given the choice, id spend money on a low mileage car that has evidence of good maintenance. The absolute best option would obviously be to find a low mileage, bought by a granny who had never thrashed it. Good luck in finding that tho' 
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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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15/08/2012 09:25
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thankyou everybody...
Gunzi- I haven't bought the car yet...- what makes good oil pressure on a 20VT from cold?? Cold oil pressure will be high, you need to wait for the engine to get up to temperature and check. There will be different views on this but the higher the pressure on hot idle the healthier the engine, or at least the journal to bearing wear and end floats. There are lots of engines out there that run a minimum of 2.5 bar of pressure at hot idle, so aim for as high as possible. I personally wouldn't be keen on any engine that had less that 2bar, again preference to any that had 2.5 or over. Be patient when checking this, it can take a while for every thing to get up to temperature.
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Re: high mileage bottom end problems
[Re: dante giacosa]
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15/08/2012 09:31
15/08/2012 09:31
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mrbuk
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mine has 158k on it. runs perfect with brilliant oil pressure hot and cold.. and runningg 1,2bar of boost..
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