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police murder
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20/01/2013 17:18
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cant believe this has happened link its happened less than 10mins walk from my dads house ..... i went to the local infants school in Edgley and i played in the local park there ....... what's the world coming to..... i am a doorman in Stockport and i have seen the change in young people over the last 10yrs..... some people wont like what i want but i think hard labour and the death penalty should be brought back
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Re: police murder
[Re: volumex]
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20/01/2013 17:23
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Or just some decent tough jails where the criminals are not mollycoddled - they should try the US goals, like that shown in the Trevor McDonald death row programme recently
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Re: police murder
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20/01/2013 17:27
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And that will be why America has the lowest murder rate of any 1st world country.
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Re: police murder
[Re: volumex]
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20/01/2013 20:25
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Nothing is ever proven 100% - evidence is open to interpretation, sometimes it's made up, DNA tests can be mixed up or contaminated, confessions can be fabricated or false. There are no certainties.
Not that it matters to your argument, because it has been shown, time and again, that the death penalty isn't a deterrent. People who commit crimes either don't believe they'll be caught or are in a frame of mind where they're not considering the consequences.
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Re: police murder
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20/01/2013 22:01
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And that will be why America has the lowest murder rate of any 1st world country. I was not suggesting that the death penalty was a deterrent, just that jail life there is hard and long. If you do something bad it really is a punishment.
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Re: police murder
[Re: volumex]
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20/01/2013 22:05
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If the guy wasn't a police officer would there be such an outcry?
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Re: police murder
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20/01/2013 22:06
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Or just some decent tough jails where the criminals are not mollycoddled - they should try the US goals, like that shown in the Trevor McDonald death row programme recently Yes i watched that. Its strange how we all see things differently. I dont think those portrayed deserved the obvious luxury they live in until death.
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Re: police murder
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20/01/2013 23:44
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I was not suggesting that the death penalty was a deterrent, just that jail life there is hard and long. If you do something bad it really is a punishment. But if something isn't a deterrent then why do it? Just because it feels like the right thing to do?
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Re: police murder
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21/01/2013 08:12
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I was not suggesting that the death penalty was a deterrent, just that jail life there is hard and long. If you do something bad it really is a punishment. But if something isn't a deterrent then why do it? Just because it feels like the right thing to do? Eh, yes
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Re: police murder
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21/01/2013 09:35
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This is the biggest problem with modern politics - the introduction of policy that is ideologically correct, as opposed to being factually correct.
While satisfying a desire for revenge may seem like a worthwhile goal it has a terrible opportunity cost, because you're doing that instead of doing something which works and reduces crime (which means a reduction in victims of crime).
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Re: police murder
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21/01/2013 09:47
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While satisfying a desire for revenge may seem like a worthwhile goal it has a terrible opportunity cost, because you're doing that instead of doing something which works and reduces crime (which means a reduction in victims of crime). And you would propose what? I would also argue that once you are in the position of "taking revenge", prevention isn't the issue.
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: police murder
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21/01/2013 19:29
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I don't think punishment and revenge are the same thing. Punishment is about paying one's dues.
If I could move into "revenge mode", which would be most satisfying and in some cases damn appropriate, then this is a different matter....
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