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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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16/02/2013 20:06
16/02/2013 20:06
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RobShed
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KMC make chains for Shimano. Best advice is buying a middling SRAM or KMC and change at least twice/perhaps three times a year. This promotes better service life of more expensive components like cassette and chainrings whilst also ensuring continually smooth running.
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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18/02/2013 16:04
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If a less worn chain is jumping around the rear cassette is that a sign that the cassette is a bit too far gone? Yes, putting a newer chain on a worn block will soon show it up. Just not worth scrimping on chain replacemnet or cleaning. Best way is to run three chains in rotation swaping over every 500 miles or so or whne they have got filthy. Adding oil to a dirty chain is counterproductive.
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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19/02/2013 09:56
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What's wrong with using a normal chain link extractor (the one that forces out a pin to split the chain, then pushes it back in again to close)? And how do you manage to extract the same pin each time when they are all the same (at least I think they are on my chains?) Is there any need to buy "missing links"? How does the missing link work? Do you need any special tool to get it apart? Please educate me, I am still a bike novice
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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19/02/2013 11:05
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What's all this "novice" stuff Dave? The 10 speed chains have a different system. 9 speed use a link extractor, 10 speeds have a "missing link". I think on my 9 speed chain, one of the links is a bit different - it has a flat end and looks black where the others are silver.
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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19/02/2013 11:20
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Urgh.. as soon as I read this thread I had a quick look at my chain and noticed some surface rust forming on it. I've taken good care of it - cleaning and lubing often but then left it in the shed outside for a week with no use and now the rust has formed. is it worth cleaning or just replace it? noticed mine has a master link to remove it and it's on an 8 speed system. ps - thanks for cassette info skinflint
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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19/02/2013 11:30
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Surface rust - just give it a quick clean, chuck some lube on it and carry on.
It'll free up any stuff links as it goes round, don't worry about it.
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
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19/02/2013 12:51
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What's wrong with using a normal chain link extractor (the one that forces out a pin to split the chain, then pushes it back in again to close)? And how do you manage to extract the same pin each time when they are all the same (at least I think they are on my chains?) Is there any need to buy "missing links"? How does the missing link work? Do you need any special tool to get it apart? Please educate me, I am still a bike novice Normal chain extractors were fine in that days of 7 and 8 speed chains but with later 9sp and above the chains came with expensive single use pins and it was not adviseable to split oyur chain more than once. 11spd campag chains require a £100 tool to connect the chain! I have had a 10 speed chain break on me when i tried the DIY pin extractor i used to use so won't do that again. The KMC missing link can easily be broken by hand, and the Wipperman Connex link is even easier. You must use a new one when you replace the chain but both those manufactureres sell the links with new chains anyway. I use a chanin splitting tool to remove excess links from a new chain but would never use it to re-connect a chain unless is was an emergency. As skinflint says i have a spare missing link in my saddle bag in case or a chain breakage on the road.
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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19/02/2013 13:59
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So if I tell you that my only experience of chains relates to 5 speeds, you might be able to tell how old I am (or rather, how old the bike is)
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
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19/02/2013 15:49
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The KMC missing link can easily be broken by hand, Except the one I had! Even though it had broken, the bike shop had to use a tool on it. Shimano tend to use pins (my 10-speed Dura-Ace one came with two - they aren't re-useable - but then many of the "quick link" systems are not meant to be re-used either). You can buy packs of pins if you want to regularly split the chain. I have no preference for any system though I do carry a spare quick link in case of a chain break
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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20/02/2013 08:47
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I just had the first ride on the new chain and cassette. Last time I went for the plain £10 HG53 9 speed chain and HG50 cassette and I couldn't really tell any difference. It definitely wasn't sweeter than the 105 setup on the Cayo, and was totally done in 2000 miles taking the cassette with it. This time it is a Dura Ace / XTR 9 speed chain and the same Tiagra HG50 cassette and it is super smooth with none of the usual clattering from the rear cassette. I think the conclusion would be that the HG53 9 speed chain might be a bit basic for everyday use. I also just went over to genuine brake pads, and they've transformed the brakes so they no longer drag and bind on the discs. It has been like riding a new bike today
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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20/02/2013 08:52
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Gosh, you girls are getting so knowledgeable we should form a fully-fledged FC Race Team for MAMIL owners .. TT,RR or wannabbees (sorry Sportif types)
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
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20/02/2013 08:58
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Gosh, you girls are getting so knowledgeable we should form a fully-fledged FC Race Team for MAMIL owners .. TT,RR or wannabbees (sorry Sportif types) MAMIL's a new one on me and why not? It's a free country! Do we need some kind of Caste system for commuters, Sportif saddos, proper TT ers etc?
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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20/02/2013 14:32
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Absolutely, the height at wish you can point percy adds weight Sportif combatants wear nappies but are a good source of quality, used parts (that is 'till their near-endless supply of cash runs-out). Bi an Tri types like legal drafting and as such are only fit for LVRC RR and occasional forays into testing. Leaving ultimately, the truth test against the clock (see I'm not bias)
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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20/02/2013 15:36
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I wonder if any of that makes sense to anyone else? My wife seemed pleased to call me a MAMIL until I pointed out that it was an old expression used before my current "renaissance" in cycling, and anyway I should be a GOGIL*
*grumpy old git in Lycra
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
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20/02/2013 16:28
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Absolutely, the height at wish you can point percy adds weight Sportif combatants wear nappies but are a good source of quality, used parts (that is 'till their near-endless supply of cash runs-out). Bi an Tri types like legal drafting and as such are only fit for LVRC RR and occasional forays into testing. Leaving ultimately, the truth test against the clock (see I'm not bias) I like your thoughts about the Sportif types - but how do you get the shiny parts off them? Also where would a person who uses a bicycle to get from A to B fit in all this? I think I'm a MLCISLBNAFC (Mid life crisis in some Lycra but not a full catsuit)
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Re: Bike Chain Wear
[Re: skinflint]
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20/02/2013 17:06
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When it's used like support tights. Talking of which, I do admit to having a set of thermal long sleeved top and full length bib-style shorts (longs?), so almost a cat suit but not quite... I think A to B commuters are so far down Rob's scale that he can't even see us (aha, but that's what I have my 1000+ lumen lights for )
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